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Am I the dumb arse ??
Posted on 4/1/25 at 8:37 pm
Posted on 4/1/25 at 8:37 pm
I've watched this team, and I see light at the end of the tunnel. Of course a top four pick in the draft would be helpful to state the obvious. I say this after seeing Zion healthy again for the past six weeks, and everyone knows when healthy he's a load. The fact that the front office has shut him down is because of the tank. The Pels have many options to improve this team. Moving Zion is one, moving CJ is another if the Pels get Harper, or Fears to take CJ's spot. I think this team can win with the big rotation of Messi, Olynic, and Karlo. JRE has done a very good job replacing Najee. Everyone needs to get back healthy for this team to compete next year. Maybe with a little luck we get Flagg, Harper, or Fears. These three in my opinion will contribute their first year in the league. I still have hope.
This post was edited on 4/1/25 at 8:43 pm
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Posted on 4/1/25 at 8:47 pm to Taylor31
Yes
Posted on 4/1/25 at 9:12 pm to Taylor31
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when healthy
He has played in 35% of games. He has been in NBA shape in 50% of those games. When healthy.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 12:43 am to Galactic Inquisitor
Tbh I think he’s been in nba shape in less than 20% of those games
Unfortunately Benson is listed by Griffin
And Griffin is misted by his own optimism bias
We are not going to be a worthwhile team until Griffin is gone and he’s replaced with someone that doesn’t have weird attachments to the Zion’s and CJ’s on this roster.
Unfortunately Benson is listed by Griffin
And Griffin is misted by his own optimism bias
We are not going to be a worthwhile team until Griffin is gone and he’s replaced with someone that doesn’t have weird attachments to the Zion’s and CJ’s on this roster.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 3:05 am to 3PieceSpicy
The problem with Zion is that his build + his playing style make him a walking time bomb for a hamstring pull. He could play 81 games next season and then pull his hamstring on game 82 and our team effectively goes to shite.
You can't build around that. You can't draft around that. You can't coach around that.
His health is a complete toss-up (and I'm not saying that it's entirely his fault), and because of it we're stuck in purgatory trying to field a winning team around a perennial question mark
You can't build around that. You can't draft around that. You can't coach around that.
His health is a complete toss-up (and I'm not saying that it's entirely his fault), and because of it we're stuck in purgatory trying to field a winning team around a perennial question mark
Posted on 4/2/25 at 3:35 am to Galactic Inquisitor
So the fat slob shows up in less than 30% of the games for over $100 million. Freak this bum.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 5:05 am to Taylor31
There have been other players (Lauri Markannen comes to mind) that teams gave up and then became stars afterwards.
Everyone in here knows that Zion would absolutely dazzle the league if he left Nola.
There simply aren't avenues to trading him and being competitive. The team just locked up Herb and Trey with the goal of competing. We aren't going to trade Zion, tear everything down, and start a full rebuild. It's not going to happen (unless Zion demands out and makes a fuss -- that would change things).
So, I don't understand why so many people in here continually talk about trading Zion this off-season. Everything that we know about Gayle says that it's not happening.
Everyone in here knows that Zion would absolutely dazzle the league if he left Nola.
There simply aren't avenues to trading him and being competitive. The team just locked up Herb and Trey with the goal of competing. We aren't going to trade Zion, tear everything down, and start a full rebuild. It's not going to happen (unless Zion demands out and makes a fuss -- that would change things).
So, I don't understand why so many people in here continually talk about trading Zion this off-season. Everything that we know about Gayle says that it's not happening.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 5:56 am to GOP_Tiger
Our best beg is winning the lotto.
Your timeline shifts and you can move on from him while allowing the team to organically grow.
Your timeline shifts and you can move on from him while allowing the team to organically grow.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 6:11 am to htran90
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Our best beg is winning the lotto.
We’ve won the lotto twice. If the player is like AD, a productive contributor he’ll eventually want out of NOLA.
If we draft a bust like Zion it goes no hood to win the lotto.
It’s a shitty market and the Pels are in a no win bottom feeding only place.
Sell and move the Pels so they have a chance again.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 6:16 am to GOP_Tiger
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There simply aren't avenues to trading him and being competitive. The team just locked up Herb and Trey with the goal of competing. We aren't going to trade Zion, tear everything down, and start a full rebuild. It's not going to happen (unless Zion demands out and makes a fuss -- that would change things).
So, I don't understand why so many people in here continually talk about trading Zion this off-season. Everything that we know about Gayle says that it's not happening.
Well, we aren't competitive with him, soooooo......
Posted on 4/2/25 at 7:12 am to GOP_Tiger
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There have been other players (Lauri Markannen comes to mind) that teams gave up and then became stars afterwards.
Markkanen is one of the worst contracts in the league, can't win, and averages less than 60 games a year in 8 years. He's not a star and probably not a piece that moves the needle for a competitive franchise.
Everyone in here knows that Zion would absolutely dazzle the league if he left Nola.
No chance. There is no comp of this ever happening, where a guy struggled this much for 6 years and busted out, long term, for the remainder of his career. Maybe he might have a good year somewhere else, but it won't justify his pay and will eventually sink the team that gives him that next deal.
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There simply aren't avenues to trading him and being competitive. The team just locked up Herb and Trey with the goal of competing. We aren't going to trade Zion, tear everything down, and start a full rebuild. It's not going to happen (unless Zion demands out and makes a fuss -- that would change things).
We aren't competitive now. Even last year's breakthrough, with 49 wins, only got us to the play in, where he was too hurt to play. Stop trying to act like we are so much better than we are. Plenty of ways to fast reset this group.
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So, I don't understand why so many people in here continually talk about trading Zion this off-season. Everything that we know about Gayle says that it's not happening.
He was just on the trade block this past summer and at the deadline. Griffin does not want to take a loss. Hopefully someone else will make that decision soon. It's time for everyone to go their separate ways..
Posted on 4/2/25 at 7:17 am to Geauxldilocks
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We’ve won the lotto twice. If the player is like AD, a productive contributor he’ll eventually want out of NOLA.
If we draft a bust like Zion it goes no hood to win the lotto.
It’s a shitty market and the Pels are in a no win bottom feeding only place.
Sell and move the Pels so they have a chance again.
Model after OKC
We still did the same thing with zion, accelerate the process and went after vets instead of letting the team organically form.
The difference was we just shite the draft by being cute
Posted on 4/2/25 at 12:10 pm to htran90
Galactic Inquisitor sounds like a klan scientologist.
GOPTiger is correct. You don't trade a guy like Zion with the potential to be a star for a couple of maybes. Especially when you are a struggling small market and you have him on a great contract for 3 more years... his prime years. Almost no star player when they are young. Almost never happens outside of TD and Kareem.
Even if Zion was healthy they need more talent to compete. They need to hit this draft pick. If somehow they land Flagg you would still want to see him next to Zion.
Regardless of all those points. Why do you all want to start over and tank for 3-4 years to maybe get a star so you can be good in 5 years? This city only supports a winner, if we do that there is a good chance we lose the team.
GOPTiger is correct. You don't trade a guy like Zion with the potential to be a star for a couple of maybes. Especially when you are a struggling small market and you have him on a great contract for 3 more years... his prime years. Almost no star player when they are young. Almost never happens outside of TD and Kareem.
Even if Zion was healthy they need more talent to compete. They need to hit this draft pick. If somehow they land Flagg you would still want to see him next to Zion.
Regardless of all those points. Why do you all want to start over and tank for 3-4 years to maybe get a star so you can be good in 5 years? This city only supports a winner, if we do that there is a good chance we lose the team.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 1:19 pm to six4lsu
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Galactic Inquisitor sounds like a klan scientologist.
When you can't refute the logic, attack the messenger. Arguing Like a Retard 101.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 1:20 pm to six4lsu
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Even if Zion was healthy
He will never be healthy. He has never been healthy. He's a lazy frick who doesn't take care of his body routinely, so he is doomed to a perpetual cycle of injuries. We're going into year 7 of the same old bullshite. The guy has been in NBA shape for maybe 30 games in his entire career, and you think he's someone to build around.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 2:34 pm to Taylor31
No, I think as a fan you are doing just fine with these observations. What people around here don’t seem to understand is we are the New Orleans Pelicans.. we are not a historically winning franchise. I’ve said this numerous times. It’s not like Zion came along and fricked up our winning ways. The lottery is a big part of my optimism, we need a top flight prospect. We got unlucky with Dejounte and Herb getting hurt early, no one can do anything about that. Just need to do well in the lottery, get our guys rehabbed, have Zion come back in even better shape, and then MAYBE our lowly Pelicans have a shot at competing. It’s just the truth.
Posted on 4/2/25 at 3:21 pm to brmark70816
Exactly. It's loser mentality to keep expecting as soon as we trade him he blossoms. Bro it's going on year 7! Like at this point if he becomes a MVP candidate somewhere else I won't even care because it's not sustainable and best case his MVP window will likely be 2 years. If any you guys can see us CONTENDING in 2 years please share the way how it can be possible.
If not, then all of this shite is just pointless and a waste of time. Please God let our next franchise player be someone that's stable !
If not, then all of this shite is just pointless and a waste of time. Please God let our next franchise player be someone that's stable !
Posted on 4/2/25 at 4:01 pm to spaghettioeauxs
It's just excuses and blind optimism. You sound like a battered wife, like it has to get better.
But you want to keep doing the same thing? Go with the status quo?
So do nothing. That's your solution?
quote:
What people around here don’t seem to understand is we are the New Orleans Pelicans.. we are not a historically winning franchise.
But you want to keep doing the same thing? Go with the status quo?
quote:
Just need to do well in the lottery, get our guys rehabbed, have Zion come back in even better shape, and then MAYBE our lowly Pelicans have a shot at competing. It’s just the truth.
So do nothing. That's your solution?
Posted on 4/2/25 at 4:29 pm to brmark70816
Bro I saw a mock trade this season on this board where we were trading BI for Tim hardaway Jr and Isaiah Stewart. To be frank, none of you know what you’re talking about in regards to trading Zion. Yall have no idea how to articulate how trading Zion will make the Pels a winning organization other than “fat man bad”, “you have battered wife syndrome.” Yall are pathetic.
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