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Good coaches vs great recruiters
Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:36 am
Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:36 am
t is interesting to watch the various camps try to defend their positions on who a great coach is. Dale Brown, one of the most successful coaches in the history of LSU, was not a great coach. And I say that as a Brown fan. He was a great recruiter and literally signed 2 of the greatest players in the history of basketball in Jackson and Oneal. He was a master motivator but you have Oneal and Jackson on the same team and can't win the Natty?I feel the same way about Wade. He was not a great coach he was a good coach that recruited superior talent. And I say that as a Wade fan. Doesn't mean he can't become great coach. He is young and coaches, like players, can develop. Who knows where he would have been with a few more years at LSU.MM is a good coach but has not mastered the recruiting portal yet. That been his biggest weakness. His team this year competed in many games they probably shouldn't have even been in based on the talent gap and maybe if he was a great coach could have won a few of those. And anyone saying the $$$ doesn't matter is just being foolish. If they keep him then he has next year to get to the tourney or they fire him. But at least they will fire him after giving him the financial resources to get the players he needs. That is where he needs to develop as a coach in this new pay for play era. If he can't do that then he won't be successful anywhere in P5.
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Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:51 am to mcspufftiger7
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MM is a good coach but has not mastered the recruiting portal yet.
Saying "he's a good coach" enough times will not make it true. He's a terrible coach. His game plans are ok, but he doesn't adjust to what the other team does at all. He doesn't motivate. His offensive sets are lifeless. We don't rebound. We turn the ball over at absurd rates.
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he won't be successful anywhere in P5.
You can delete the rest of the wall of text and just keep this part.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 9:53 am to tom
This. None of his rosters here have been loaded, but he had enough talent this year to not finish dead last/second-to-last in the SEC.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 10:01 am to mcspufftiger7
I do think the team started the year with a good attitude and played hard.. Reed got hurt early in the season.. the teams morale just spiraled down as the season went on.
I think he's recruiting fine. I normally like the idea of a program builder vs someone who has a good team every other year. But right now it seems like we are getting neither.
I think he's recruiting fine. I normally like the idea of a program builder vs someone who has a good team every other year. But right now it seems like we are getting neither.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 10:30 am to mcspufftiger7
How is MM a good coach? If Wade is a good coach which he is and elite recruiter then results say MM can’t be good.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 10:36 am to Big4SALTbro
Good coches still need talent. Where MM has failed in my opinion is he has yet to recruit an SEC caliber PG. Losing Reed didn't help and then Chest later in the season decimated their size and affected their ability to rebound. They got better on the TO numbers on the back half of the season but they are lacking scorers on this team and Reed and later V Miler going down didn't help with that either. They were also the youngest and most inexperienced team in the SEC this year. Ole Miss has 10 seniors playing. That is a huge difference. Needs to change next year. If not he'll be gone.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 10:42 am to mcspufftiger7
He has recruited better than he has coached.
Good coaches don’t get pantsed every second half like MM does. He isn’t a good coach overall and he isn’t living up to what should be good enough for LSU basketball
Good coaches don’t get pantsed every second half like MM does. He isn’t a good coach overall and he isn’t living up to what should be good enough for LSU basketball
Posted on 3/17/25 at 10:43 am to mcspufftiger7
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Wade. He was not a great coach he was a good coach that recruited superior talent
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MM is a good coach but has not mastered the recruiting portal yet.
You sir are retarded.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 10:44 am to mcspufftiger7
What makes him a good coach? I have yet to see anything that would resemble good coaching.
We don't rebound well, we don't screen well, we don't even pass well.
Sure he's called a good play or two in his tenure, but if calling a good play was all it took Steve Forbes and Kevin Stallings would be legends in the sport. I don't think he is a moron I just don't understand what quality in his tenure has shown he is good.
Other than Reed, and if you want to count Robert Miller sure, has anyone gotten any better under McMahon?
We don't rebound well, we don't screen well, we don't even pass well.
Sure he's called a good play or two in his tenure, but if calling a good play was all it took Steve Forbes and Kevin Stallings would be legends in the sport. I don't think he is a moron I just don't understand what quality in his tenure has shown he is good.
Other than Reed, and if you want to count Robert Miller sure, has anyone gotten any better under McMahon?
Posted on 3/17/25 at 10:44 am to mcspufftiger7
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.MM is a good coach
There is zero evidnece of this at LSU. If anything, he has been a better recruiter than coach thus far at LSu and that is saying alot.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 10:45 am to Pnels08
We shoot 3s piss poor but yet he has the team jack them up
Posted on 3/17/25 at 11:01 am to mcspufftiger7
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MM is a good coach
Only an idiot could watch a McMahon coached team and think that. Go ahead, tell us what makes him a good coach. Is it his offensive sets? The way his team plays good defense? The inbounds plays that he draws up? How well his teams rebound? His roster management? His in-game substitutions? How well he adjust at halftime?
Come on, please explain to all of us idiots with your superior basketball knowledge exactly what makes McMahon a good coach.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 11:55 am to saint tiger225
If you can't see the talent difference between LSU and the other teams in the SEC then not much I can say to you. Other than a few blowouts, this team has played with some of the best teams in the country for 30 or more minutes. Can't do that with the lack of talent we have unless you can coach some. Dale Brown was considered by some to be a bad coach but he recruited great talent and went to the final 4 twice. Once without a center. Go look at the rotations of every SEC team and look at the maturity and experience they had. It is about talent. They were in the games late against Auburn, AL, FL, TAM, Miss St and Ole Miss who plays 10 seniors.. They did not have the depth or maturity to beat those sr and jr heavy teams. Especially without Reed, Ward and then Chest and V Miller. And he did it without an SEC caliber PG. It is what it is. It's on him to improve that talent but saying we lost those games just due to coaching is laughable.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 12:01 pm to mcspufftiger7
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Other than a few blowouts, this team has played with some of the best teams in the country for 30 or more minutes.
You are one dumb mofo.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 1:00 pm to tom
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Saying "he's a good coach" enough times will not make it true. He's a terrible coach.
That just isn't true. He's a good coach, not all good coaches can perform at the top level. I would quantify virtually all top-level successful coaches as very good to great.
McMahon had success at Murray State. I did not translate to LSU.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 1:07 pm to Pnels08
I’ve watched a lot of basketball especially the last 2 weekends and you can tell what teams have an “identity” and we don’t. There’s not 1 stat that says we go all in. Physical? Nope, 3 point shooting? On rare occasions. Driving? Can’t make a layup…. If MM wants to be successful, he needs to get an alpha point guard and a shooter. With our size inside, we would be better. Also running an actual offense or running it correctly consistently would help.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 1:10 pm to mcspufftiger7
Yet you claimed McMahon was a great recruiter prior to this season so everything you’re saying here is disqualified.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 1:12 pm to rutiger
It’s the same BS song and dance every year from that poster.
Off season- “he’s a great recruiter”
March- “we just don’t have any talent”
This has gone on for three seasons with this poster and will happen again this off season and into next season.
Off season- “he’s a great recruiter”
March- “we just don’t have any talent”
This has gone on for three seasons with this poster and will happen again this off season and into next season.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 1:13 pm to mcspufftiger7
You're an idiot.
You just wrote a big arse wall of ugly text and completely ignored the questions I asked.
Blaming everything on talent is pitiful. This team has some talent, it just isn't being utilized or developed properly.
I know you didn't realize it, but you basically admitted yourself that we get out coached at the end of games (really after halftime). Coaches can easily make adjustments against MM because he's not a good coach and easily gets out coached once it's time for adjustments.
Your defense of the product we've seen MM now put out there for 3 years is ridiculous and sad.
Last year all of you MM fans said this was going to the year. Now look at you.
You just wrote a big arse wall of ugly text and completely ignored the questions I asked.
Blaming everything on talent is pitiful. This team has some talent, it just isn't being utilized or developed properly.
I know you didn't realize it, but you basically admitted yourself that we get out coached at the end of games (really after halftime). Coaches can easily make adjustments against MM because he's not a good coach and easily gets out coached once it's time for adjustments.
Your defense of the product we've seen MM now put out there for 3 years is ridiculous and sad.
Last year all of you MM fans said this was going to the year. Now look at you.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 1:26 pm to mcspufftiger7
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His team this year competed in many games
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mcspufftiger7
Every. fricking. Time.
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