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German Intellectuals Believed WW1 was a “Throughly Enabling Experience” - True Today?

Posted on 3/13/25 at 3:10 pm
Posted by RFK
Mar-a-Lago
Member since May 2012
2890 posts
Posted on 3/13/25 at 3:10 pm
German historians in the interwar period believed WW1 was a “thoroughly enabling experience through which every generation should pass.”

Although the rise of nationalism between 1920-1936 led Germany to WW2, there is some merit to the causes that brought the country together.

Said another way, some believe that easy times make soft men, but hard times bring them together.

Is there an argument to be made that there is benefit to a large-scale military campaign supposedly in the nation’s interest?
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
103333 posts
Posted on 3/13/25 at 3:12 pm to
Anyone who thought WWI was a good thing likely wasn’t within 100 miles of a front.
Posted by RollingwiththeTide
Member since Oct 2020
5993 posts
Posted on 3/13/25 at 3:14 pm to
Germany was not led into WW2 by anyone. Germany started WW2.
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
78665 posts
Posted on 3/13/25 at 3:15 pm to
Some germans believed they would have won if the jews hadn’t stabbed them in the back.

even though “jewish bolsheviks” actually ended the war on the eastern front and America sent 2 million soldiers at the very end of the war.

the prevailing thought outside Germany was that it was such a horrific experience we should never do it again.
This post was edited on 3/13/25 at 3:17 pm
Posted by jizzle6609
Houston
Member since Jul 2009
18899 posts
Posted on 3/13/25 at 3:15 pm to
Sure if you believe losing back to back world wars an enabling experience

Queers
This post was edited on 3/13/25 at 3:16 pm
Posted by BarberitosDawg
Lee County Florida across causeway
Member since Oct 2013
13193 posts
Posted on 3/13/25 at 3:16 pm to
Naa. The Germanic states came together after the war in the 1870’s . Before 1914 bring a German was enjoyable then those pesky Prussians wanted expansion…

Fuddle fudeal system shite.
Posted by SundayFunday
Member since Sep 2011
9983 posts
Posted on 3/13/25 at 3:19 pm to
Where these quotes coming from?

Regardless, its one of those things that 'historians' like to say that when they werent one of the millions blown and ripped to pieces in no mans land - while most likely being either nonveterans or the officers who sat 1 km behind the lines drinking brandy while moving board pieces around with a long leather stick like it was a game.

Posted by jizzle6609
Houston
Member since Jul 2009
18899 posts
Posted on 3/13/25 at 3:20 pm to
quote:

there an argument to be made that there is benefit to a large-scale military campaign supposedly in the nation’s interest?


I’ll say this, the French leader at then end of WW1 told his people before he passed not to be to hard on Germany.

The Versailles treaty was very harsh to Germany because the Rhineland was taken, which was a primary source of production for these people. To top is off, other European nations wouldn’t trade with Germany for years after the war. The depression they went through was 20x as harsh as ours. They ate potatoes basically to survive.

That will build resentment beyond belief.

Much like repeated waste of hundreds of millions of people’s tax dollars
This post was edited on 3/13/25 at 3:21 pm
Posted by ThuperThumpin
Member since Dec 2013
9161 posts
Posted on 3/13/25 at 3:24 pm to
quote:

Said another way, some believe that easy times make soft men, but hard times bring them together.


Hard times that require folks to put in long hours and bust their arse to improve their position is a lot different than a generation of young men being cut down in the prime of their lives by machine gun fire, artillery barrages, mustard gas, and the Spanish flu. That war was hell on earth.
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
75093 posts
Posted on 3/13/25 at 3:24 pm to
My answer?
Read The Somme.
Which if any of those German intellectuals spent 3 years in those trenches? Few to none.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
117044 posts
Posted on 3/13/25 at 3:27 pm to
quote:

the rise of nationalism between 1920-1936 led Germany to WW2,

That period also saw a lot of Germany's version of our flappers. Lotta German girls going to the clubs at night being naughty.
Posted by Great Plains Drifter
Flyover, U.S.A.
Member since Jul 2019
9192 posts
Posted on 3/13/25 at 3:27 pm to
I’d say given the German’s track record of the past 100+ years, right on up to present day…..not sure they’d be my go-to for nuggets of wisdom.
Posted by Goforit
Member since Apr 2019
8715 posts
Posted on 3/13/25 at 3:44 pm to
Asked the frickers who lost their lives in war if they are better off. Oh, you can't because they're desd
Posted by m2pro
Member since Nov 2008
29776 posts
Posted on 3/13/25 at 4:11 pm to
quote:

Is there an argument to be made that there is benefit to a large-scale military campaign supposedly in the nation’s interest?



Sure. It's just not worth the costs most of the time.

This post was edited on 3/13/25 at 4:12 pm
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
37937 posts
Posted on 3/13/25 at 4:16 pm to
quote:

Is there an argument to be made that there is benefit to a large-scale military campaign supposedly in the nation’s interest?


The tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of patriots
Posted by pankReb
Defending National Champs Fan
Member since Mar 2009
72483 posts
Posted on 3/13/25 at 4:19 pm to
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The depression they went through was 20x as harsh as ours. They ate potatoes basically to survive.


It was more cost efficient to burn money to stay warm than to buy firewood in some places. There’s a reason why Germans held resentment between the wars.
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