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"US Faces Economic ‘Heart Attack’ if Debt Isn’t Reduced Soon, DOGE Needs to Manage This"

Posted on 2/5/25 at 8:10 am
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135804 posts
Posted on 2/5/25 at 8:10 am
FWIW: Ray Dalio is a billionaire hedge fund manager who generally aligned with Obama
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Ray Dalio: U.S. Faces Economic ‘Heart Attack’ if Debt Isn’t Reduced Soon, Says DOGE Needs to Manage This
by Publius
February 5, 2025


Ray Dalio, the founder of Bridgewater Associates, the world’s largest hedge fund, has issued a stark warning about the U.S. economy, likening it to a “death spiral” due to its burgeoning national debt. Speaking on “The All-In Podcast” with co-host David Friedberg, Dalio highlighted the dire implications if both political parties fail to address the growing deficit.

Dalio described the current economic situation as one where the U.S. government is in a “death spiral,” a term typically used when a company or government has such high levels of debt that it must borrow just to service that debt. He pointed out that this scenario is driving credit quality down and pushing interest rates up. According to him, the crucial question is whether the debt generates enough income to manage these issues effectively.
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Despite efforts to lower interest rates, the markets have reacted by marking down U.S. Treasuries, causing long-term interest rates to spike to levels not seen since before the 2008 financial crisis. The U.S. operates with a nearly $2 trillion annual deficit, which is about 7% of GDP, while paying over $1 trillion yearly just in interest on existing debt.

Dalio emphasized the need for immediate action, suggesting that the deficit should be reduced from 7.5% to 3% of GDP to avoid further economic strain. He stressed that Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) needs to manage this, acknowledging that such measures would likely intensify political divisions.
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Dalio’s warning serves as a wake-up call for policymakers to act decisively on reducing national debt. The metaphor of an economic “heart attack” vividly captures the potential severity of inaction, urging Democrats who oppose DOGE’s efforts to stand down.

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Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
467759 posts
Posted on 2/5/25 at 8:12 am to
Dalio has been ringing this bell for quite some time, and Friedberg has been repeating it on the AIP for quite some time as well.
Posted by boogiewoogie1978
Little Rock
Member since Aug 2012
19476 posts
Posted on 2/5/25 at 8:15 am to
It means nothing unless they cut defense spending somehow. The only issue is Trump has said multiple times that our military needs to be upgraded. It will be hard to do both.
Posted by Warfox
B.R. Native (now in MA)
Member since Apr 2017
3770 posts
Posted on 2/5/25 at 8:15 am to
It’s coming no matter what we do: just how severe will depend on what congress and DOGE are able to accomplish.

Problem is that government spending has been propping up our economy as well.

Posted by Supravol22
Member since Jan 2011
14512 posts
Posted on 2/5/25 at 8:17 am to
They need to cut and it will piss a lot of people off but they need to rip the band aid off
Posted by Cosmo
glassman's guest house
Member since Oct 2003
129680 posts
Posted on 2/5/25 at 8:18 am to
quote:

It means nothing unless they cut defense spending somehow.


Disagree

Would be fine just freezing it for a decade
Posted by Mahootney
Lovin' My German Footprint
Member since Sep 2008
12126 posts
Posted on 2/5/25 at 8:19 am to
10 years ago, they could cut 1% of the top to balance.
Now it will take 10%.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
467759 posts
Posted on 2/5/25 at 8:20 am to
quote:

It means nothing unless they cut defense spending somehow. The only issue is Trump has said multiple times that our military needs to be upgraded. It will be hard to do both.

Not just that, he ran on protecting/supporting SS/Medicare

If you're not cutting massively from those 3 programs, there isn't enough meat on the bone
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
91757 posts
Posted on 2/5/25 at 8:21 am to
We all have known this for years. 2 weeks in and Trump's team is actually trying to fix this despite Dems screaming.
Posted by Evolved Simian
Bushwood Country Club
Member since Sep 2010
23165 posts
Posted on 2/5/25 at 8:24 am to
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If you're not cutting massively from those 3 programs, there isn't enough meat on the bone


I assure you that there is more than enough fraud and waste in the Pentagon, Medicare, and SSI benefits to balance the budget without reducing services. It's just a matter of isolating it and cutting it out.
Posted by Timeoday
Easter Island
Member since Aug 2020
18259 posts
Posted on 2/5/25 at 8:26 am to
DOGE is already predicting a 1 trillion savings for the year and it has not even begun the fight. The low hanging fruit is being gathered right now.
Posted by Gee Grenouille
Bogalusa
Member since Jul 2018
7605 posts
Posted on 2/5/25 at 8:39 am to
quote:

The only issue is Trump has said multiple times that our military needs to be upgraded. It will be hard to do both.


Addition by subtraction
Posted by sidewalkside
rent free in yo head
Member since Sep 2021
4358 posts
Posted on 2/5/25 at 8:39 am to
quote:

due to its burgeoning national debt.


quote:

burgeoning


There is nothing "new" about this debt expansion. This disingenuous hack is just trying to get on the good side of Elon.
Posted by bayoudude
Member since Dec 2007
25854 posts
Posted on 2/5/25 at 8:40 am to
Yep they are cancelling all these unneeded recurring subscription fees that we are pissing away on stupid shite.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
138911 posts
Posted on 2/5/25 at 8:43 am to
quote:

quote:

It means nothing unless they cut defense spending somehow.



Disagree

Would be fine just freezing it for a decade


In the normal world freezing spending is not a cut. In DC it's a cut.
Posted by DTRooster
Belle River, La
Member since Dec 2013
8896 posts
Posted on 2/5/25 at 8:53 am to
Wow. That dude the second coming of Nostradamus or what? I’d have never predicted such a thing
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135804 posts
Posted on 2/5/25 at 8:55 am to
quote:

Would be fine just freezing it for a decade
BINGO!

A real freeze, then let Congress do its job, designating spending within the cap
Posted by Rohan Gravy
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2017
20728 posts
Posted on 2/5/25 at 9:03 am to
quote:

10 years ago, they could cut 1% of the top to balance.

Now it will take 10%.



Do it

Plus more
Posted by jizzle6609
Houston
Member since Jul 2009
17886 posts
Posted on 2/5/25 at 9:05 am to
When are local governments going to start laying off employees?

I guarantee all have received federal grant money, as a matter of fact I know most of them have.

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