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What is the difference between the STAR and nickel positions on defense?

Posted on 1/8/25 at 11:57 pm
Posted by TexasTiger88
Madisonville
Member since Jun 2010
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Posted on 1/8/25 at 11:57 pm
I always thought they were both slot positions maybe a little different in their responsibilities.

Anyone have any insight?
Posted by white beans
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 1/9/25 at 12:01 am to
I’d check www.google.com
Posted by Indefatigable
Member since Jan 2019
33657 posts
Posted on 1/9/25 at 12:09 am to
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Anyone have any insight?

Position labels are relative to scheme.
Posted by Tiger1944
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Member since Sep 2020
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Posted on 1/9/25 at 12:53 am to
I found this on the net
Nickel Back
Definition: A nickel back is an additional defensive back, usually a cornerback or safety, who replaces a linebacker in a nickel defense.

Formation: In a typical 4-3 defense, you have four defensive linemen, three linebackers, and four defensive backs. When a nickel back is added, it becomes a 4-2-5 formation (four linemen, two linebackers, five defensive backs)1.

Role: The nickel back primarily focuses on pass coverage, especially against offenses with three or more wide receivers. They may also be involved in blitz packages and run support2.

Usage: Nickel backs are often used in obvious passing situations, such as 3rd-and-long.

Star Position (or "Star" or "Will" Linebacker)
Definition: The star position, also known as the "Will" linebacker, is a hybrid linebacker-defensive back role.

Formation: In a 4-3 defense, the star position replaces one of the traditional linebackers, creating a 3-3-5 formation (three linemen, three linebackers, five defensive backs).

Role: The star player is versatile and can cover tight ends, running backs, and slot receivers, as well as rush the passer and support the run defense.

Usage: The star position is used to provide additional speed and coverage ability against spread offenses and passing attacks.

In summary, while both positions involve additional defensive backs and are designed to counter passing offenses, the nickel back is more focused on pass coverage, whereas the star position is a versatile hybrid that can handle both pass coverage and run defense.

Does that help clarify things?
Posted by Rebel
Graceland
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 1/9/25 at 12:56 am to
they are very similar. i've always considered a Star more Linebacker first, safety second. A nickel is strictly a cover back.
Posted by Mobiletiggah
Mobile Alabama
Member since Mar 2021
3282 posts
Posted on 1/9/25 at 5:58 am to
Actually nomenclature. Some will call for an extra safety and others will call for a safety playing a dual role LB.
Posted by AFtigerFan
Louisiana
Member since Feb 2008
3560 posts
Posted on 1/9/25 at 6:34 am to
quote:

Formation: In a 4-3 defense, the star position replaces one of the traditional linebackers, creating a 3-3-5 formation (three linemen, three linebackers, five defensive backs).
This probably meant to say in a 3-4 defense. In a 4-3 defense, there are 4 down lineman.
Posted by 5iveEuax4eaux
Member since Jan 2020
622 posts
Posted on 1/9/25 at 6:41 am to
Nickel is CB/S hybrid more corner than safety. Star is a LB/S hybrid. More safety than LB.
Posted by TexTigah81
Member since Nov 2013
572 posts
Posted on 1/9/25 at 7:10 am to
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I’d check www.google.com

Always a smart a$$ on this board.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
452875 posts
Posted on 1/9/25 at 7:12 am to
quote:

What is the difference between the STAR and nickel positions on defense?


Star = Jacoby Stevens

NB = Tyrann Mathieu
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
11965 posts
Posted on 1/9/25 at 7:47 am to
I look at a nickel as more of a hybrid CB/safety while the star is more of a hybrid LB/safety.

Ultimately the point of the 4-2-5 star defense is to somewhat split the difference between a 4-3-4 and a traditional 4-2-5 nickel package. The star safety should have better coverage skills than a pure 4-3 OLB but provide better run support than a pure nickel corner. It allows you to spend more time in your base defense without substituting.
Posted by The Ramp
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jul 2004
12634 posts
Posted on 1/9/25 at 7:58 am to
quote:

"Will" linebacker, is a hybrid linebacker-defensive back role.



When I played back in the 90's. a Will was a weakside LB and a Sam was strongside. Guess it depends on the system and language
Posted by OU812ME2
Earth
Member since Jun 2021
1180 posts
Posted on 1/9/25 at 7:59 am to
quote:

between the STAR and nickel positions on defense



One's a star, and the other isn't worth a dime?
Posted by BlackAngus
350 Sonic Blvd
Member since Jan 2020
2162 posts
Posted on 1/9/25 at 8:00 am to
A star player give you better run defense with less coverage ability.

A NB gives you better coverage with less run protection
Posted by KWL85
Member since Mar 2023
2336 posts
Posted on 1/9/25 at 8:01 am to
Nickel is CB/S hybrid more corner than safety. Star is a LB/S hybrid. More safety than LB.
________

This is how I have thought about both spots.
Posted by SouthernInsanity
Shadows of Death Valley
Member since Nov 2012
22690 posts
Posted on 1/9/25 at 8:26 am to
quote:

I’d check www.google.com


Why????? Don't you know this place has more elite level unemployed football coaches than any place on the internet!!
Posted by The Hurricane
Gulf of Mexico
Member since Aug 2011
8959 posts
Posted on 1/9/25 at 8:58 am to
Tyrann is a nickel.
Danny McCray would be a star.

One can cover wideout when team brings out more wide receivers and the other could step up to the line when a team goes jumbo.
Posted by SlippinJimmy
Member since Jan 2024
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Posted on 1/9/25 at 9:04 am to
Chat GPT knows ball
Posted by R11
Member since Aug 2017
4383 posts
Posted on 1/9/25 at 9:08 am to
You came to the right place.

Lots of football geniuses here .
Posted by BillF
New York, New York
Member since Jan 2006
5791 posts
Posted on 1/9/25 at 9:26 am to
These threads are always fun. You'll get posters repeating what has already been stated in previous posts, but they want to make sure you understand that they're the real experts. It never fails.
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