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Is this the most talented 5-28 team ever?

Posted on 1/2/25 at 7:59 pm
Posted by ghost2most
Member since Mar 2012
7737 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 7:59 pm
Going into the season, we thought the roster was very good with a giant hole at C.

Turns out, Yves is pretty good.

The injuries have been insane but there's still a ton of talent here.

Murray
Herb
Trey
Zion
Missi

Jose
Hawk
Boston
New big

That’s not bad and doesn't even take into account any players you get back for Ingram, CJ or a top five rookie.
This post was edited on 1/2/25 at 8:21 pm
Posted by supe12sta12z
Tiger Town
Member since Apr 2012
12842 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 8:05 pm to
The Spurs when they tanked for Duncan when Robinson got injured. They may not have been 5-29 but they only won 20 games that year.
This post was edited on 1/2/25 at 8:06 pm
Posted by ghost2most
Member since Mar 2012
7737 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 8:22 pm to
I think it’s a huge indictment on Willie.

The players have flat quit.

Last year we won games without Zion and Ingram. We beat the Mavs twice that way.

No way this team should be this bad
Posted by Dinky Mulberry
Member since Aug 2021
2283 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 8:52 pm to
quote:

The players have flat quit.

Last year we won games without Zion and Ingram. We beat the Mavs twice that way.

No way this team should be this bad


I've noticed that EVEN Herb has turned the intensity level down a notch or two. Vicious rumor that everybody knows we are tanking...I'm stunned...absolutely stunned.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
29731 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 9:18 pm to
quote:

I've noticed that EVEN Herb has turned the intensity level down a notch or two


He without a doubt has and if you coach so shitty Herb Jones quits playing hard, it’s time to go.
Posted by 3PieceSpicy
Metairie
Member since Jan 2021
7742 posts
Posted on 1/2/25 at 9:49 pm to
No, part of talent is health and want to. It’s not all about running and jumping. We have low talent character on our team and our current record reflects that quite accurately.
Posted by PUB
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2017
20655 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 6:18 am to
Worse team in the NBA right now. Bottom of the league.
Posted by Camp Randall
The Shadow of the Valley of Death
Member since Nov 2005
17186 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 7:43 am to
I’ve spent time and money traveling to see those guys. It’s hard not to feel like a fool.
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
An Incredibly Distant Star
Member since Dec 2013
18452 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 8:37 am to
Why did you leave out the second most talented player on the roster?
Posted by CP3forMVP
Member since Nov 2010
15774 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 8:54 am to
There was a slight period there where the team was legitimately 5-28 bad, but the vast majority of the season, even with the injuries, they should be considerably better than that.

I mean Murray and CJ have been back going on 6 weeks, Trey has been back going on 8 weeks, Herb has been back for a month.

Yet in the past five weeks they are 1-16, being outscored by an average of 11 points a night. They're giving up 121 points a game in that timespan.

It's not an injury thing at this point. They're more than healthy enough to be competitive.
Posted by JS87
Member since Aug 2010
17607 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 9:17 am to
Just bodies out there going through the motions with a lame duck head coach who knows he’s gone by season’s end.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
127799 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 9:19 am to
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I mean Murray and CJ have been back going on 6 weeks, Trey has been back going on 8 weeks, Herb has been back for a month.



We should be fine with all of those guys, a .500 team at worst, even without Brandon and Zion.

We have bottomed out.

It tells us a lot of things doesn't it
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
62446 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 9:28 am to
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It tells us a lot of things doesn't it


I admittedly haven’t watched much lately, but I’ve been thinking a lot about the hard fall on defense. I think a big part of that defensive success the past 2 years was having a critical mass of dawgs, for lack of a better term. Herb, Jose, Naji, and Dyson all got steady minutes and all brought defensive hustle which pushed teammates to hustle.

We’ve seen many times people hoping a new coach would fix mentality issues like low motor or low BBIQ. Those intangibles are talents/skills and you can only coach them up so much. You need players to have them to see it on the court.

I also think the lack of success is likely showing how important gravity is, and how you can’t just get addition by subtraction with BI and Zion. If those 2 are moved with minimal return, you might as well blow it up.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
29731 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 9:41 am to
quote:

We should be fine with all of those guys, a .500 team at worst, even without Brandon and Zion.



I do'nt know about .500 at worst without BI and Zion, but we shoudl at least be hovering just below it, and still be able to beat the bad teams in the league instead of losign to them by 30.

a team of CJ/Trey/Murray/Missi/Herb should not lose 10 games in a row regarldess of who they are playing against.

We're having problems just being competitive in our losses at a .500 rate.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
29731 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 9:48 am to
quote:

I also think the lack of success is likely showing how important gravity is, and how you can’t just get addition by subtraction with BI and Zion. If those 2 are moved with minimal return, you might as well blow it up.




I have said this multiple times, starting in the offseason when talking about moving BI.
Trey has been really great these last few games, but he's not BI and he's not Zion. I heard someone say it recently, we have Trey scoring 30, and we aren't even competitive.

If we move both of them, you have to get back at least 1 guy back with that same all-star level skill set.
Posted by Split2874
Mandeville
Member since Jul 2012
3204 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 9:54 am to
Those guys can win games until the 4th qrt.
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
An Incredibly Distant Star
Member since Dec 2013
18452 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 10:49 am to
quote:

you can’t just get addition by subtraction with BI and Zion. If those 2 are moved with minimal return, you might as well blow it up.


Who could have seen this coming?
Posted by Townedrunkard
Member since Jan 2019
13746 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 11:38 am to
quote:

I mean Murray and CJ have been back going on 6 weeks, Trey has been back going on 8 weeks, Herb has been back for a month


Absolutely no reason with this amount of talent and a leading ROY candidate to be this bad. Murray was the number one in SA a couple years ago and they won more games.
Posted by supe12sta12z
Tiger Town
Member since Apr 2012
12842 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 11:47 am to
They weren't winning with BI and Z in the game either. So it's not as simple as having those guys available. This goes beyond the players.
Posted by AD23
Lab
Member since Jun 2012
1377 posts
Posted on 1/3/25 at 1:07 pm to
might as well just keep rooting for the tank at this point and hope that we clean house this offseason and give the new regimen a bunch of talent to play around with.

cooper flagg on this team while dumping one of BI/Zion and Murray/CJ for assets? we will be steady rolling in no time again.
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