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Op Ed - Fiscally conservative Republicans told Trump to go pound sand
Posted on 12/22/24 at 4:04 am
Posted on 12/22/24 at 4:04 am
At this point, Americans should realize that the majority of our leaders ought to be tossed regardless of our partisan sensibilities. Washington’s fiscal theater is a joke, and we’re always the punch line. Don’t act like we don’t know exactly how this plays out.
What's the problem? American budget deficits are too darn high. Republicans are less of a monolithic voting block than they’ve been in generations. Generally speaking, President-elect Donald Trump is the singular organizing principle. Fealty to and support of Trump is the litmus test for the Republican majority, not policy. Trump doesn’t adhere to a conventional set of conservative principles at all. He’s for a policy in one context and against it in another. That gives him a lot of flexibility, but rank-and-file Republicans have the same.
Even so, 38 fiscally conservative House Republicans just told Trump to pound sand on federal spending. (They include Tennessee Reps. Tim Burchett, R-Knoxville, and Andy Ogles, R-Williamson County). The congressional budget hawks like Rep. Chip Roy, R-Texas, and Burchett are absolutely correct that spending is out of control.
How do we know? In Fiscal Year 2024, the federal government ran a $1.83 trillion deficit. That alone is evidence that our leaders of all political persuasions can’t make tough decisions to operate within our existing financial resources. Frankly, I don’t care whether it’s caused by taxes that are too low or spending that is too high. The status quo is both unsustainable and avoidable.
Fiscal hawks might be right, but they are awful at finding compromise
Net interest on America’s national debt was $949 billion in Fiscal Year 2024. Put another way, 14% of federal spending in FY 2024 was interest. America is literally borrowing money to pay for borrowed money. We are beyond stupid to accept this as normal.
The rest of the oped is linked
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What's the problem? American budget deficits are too darn high. Republicans are less of a monolithic voting block than they’ve been in generations. Generally speaking, President-elect Donald Trump is the singular organizing principle. Fealty to and support of Trump is the litmus test for the Republican majority, not policy. Trump doesn’t adhere to a conventional set of conservative principles at all. He’s for a policy in one context and against it in another. That gives him a lot of flexibility, but rank-and-file Republicans have the same.
Even so, 38 fiscally conservative House Republicans just told Trump to pound sand on federal spending. (They include Tennessee Reps. Tim Burchett, R-Knoxville, and Andy Ogles, R-Williamson County). The congressional budget hawks like Rep. Chip Roy, R-Texas, and Burchett are absolutely correct that spending is out of control.
How do we know? In Fiscal Year 2024, the federal government ran a $1.83 trillion deficit. That alone is evidence that our leaders of all political persuasions can’t make tough decisions to operate within our existing financial resources. Frankly, I don’t care whether it’s caused by taxes that are too low or spending that is too high. The status quo is both unsustainable and avoidable.
Fiscal hawks might be right, but they are awful at finding compromise
Net interest on America’s national debt was $949 billion in Fiscal Year 2024. Put another way, 14% of federal spending in FY 2024 was interest. America is literally borrowing money to pay for borrowed money. We are beyond stupid to accept this as normal.
The rest of the oped is linked
LINK
This post was edited on 12/22/24 at 4:05 am
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Posted on 12/22/24 at 5:08 am to Eurocat
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Fealty to and support of Trump is the litmus test for the Republican majority, not policy.
We just elected Trump in grand fashion to implement his policy. We didn't elect congressmen to block his agenda. The TDS crowd will always pretend it's about Trump and not policy, because they need to project their faults onto their opponents in a vain attempt to hide them. Even when he implements policy they do like, it's always, "Yeah, Trump did that good thing, but..."
Posted on 12/22/24 at 5:19 am to Eurocat
Maybe Congress should spend more time on fiscal matters. Stop using budgets to play political games but find ways to make serious cuts.
Posted on 12/22/24 at 5:40 am to Eurocat
There are very few if any fiscal conservatives left.
Posted on 12/22/24 at 5:40 am to Kattail
quote:
Stop using budgets to play political games but find ways to make serious cuts.
That's not going to fly when 70% of Congress believes the answer is to raise taxes to clear the deficit instead of making cuts.
Posted on 12/22/24 at 5:41 am to Kattail
You left out "and enrich themselves".
Posted on 12/22/24 at 5:44 am to Eurocat
quote:There is probably a reason that Cameron Smith, a previous political advisor and lawyer, is now relegated to opining about both from outside those respective fields.
The rest of the oped is linked
There is also a reason Chuck Schumer was tickled pink about the """Conservative Republican""" actions and result. In March, Schumer plans to let Cameron Smith know why he's presently so pleased.
Posted on 12/22/24 at 6:13 am to TenWheelsForJesus
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We just elected Trump in grand fashion to implement his policy.
Which is what?
Whatever he says in any given moment?
That's what you smooth brained populist sycophants don't understand.
"Electing Trump in grand fashion" doesn't mean you have to agree with whatever he says, whenever he says it, just because he says it.
Trump has no underlying consistency because he has no underlying principles. When the article says he is for a policy in one context and against it in another, it's 100% correct.
Some people are not o.k. with just pledging 100% loyalty to a personality, especially when that personality is as inconsistent as Trump. Some people still decide whether or not to support any given policy based on whether they think it's a good idea or not.
I know. Imagine that.
Posted on 12/22/24 at 6:22 am to Eurocat
The reality is a full DOGE based slash and burn won’t simply pass. The sausage making is going to take shitty compromises to chip away at it, especially with the current voting margins. It’s frustrating but the reality of the game. I trust we’re going to keep pushing in the right direction between doge, a fed up population, and the new media of transparency.
None of it is going to cakewalk my dream budget through though. Fight fight fight
None of it is going to cakewalk my dream budget through though. Fight fight fight
Posted on 12/22/24 at 6:23 am to wackatimesthree
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Trump has no underlying consistency because he has no underlying principles.
Right. His "agenda" is whatever mood strikes him at the moment. I think they just trust him regardless of policy
He will continue funding Ukraine and adding to the debt.
This post was edited on 12/22/24 at 6:25 am
Posted on 12/22/24 at 6:34 am to TenWheelsForJesus
quote:
We just elected Trump in grand fashion
Don't get to far out in front of your skis. Did people really support Trump? Or were they making sure Harris and this shite administration is no longer in power?
quote:
The TDS crowd will always pretend it's about Trump and not policy,
Are we talking about Trump's outstanding foreign policy? Or his dogshit idea to send personalized checks of taxpayer money to people who didn't need it? Got to get those stimi checks out!
Also, look at how the Trump fans on this board reacts to any politician that disagrees with Trump. They "commit an unforgivable sin" by publicly expressing their opinion.
Posted on 12/22/24 at 6:37 am to RogerTheShrubber
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I think they just trust him regardless of policy
Not only do they do so, they get angry at anyone who doesn't. As though people should just do whatever the guy says regardless of whether it makes any sense or not or is consistent or anything.
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He will continue funding Ukraine and adding to the debt.
I think once Trump gets in office that conflict will resolve quickly. Putin will stop and they will go back to their respective corners leaving the borders the way they were when the fighting stopped. Putin won't give any territory back and Ukraine won't concede any more.
Now, if that doesn't happen, Trump will not only continue to fund Ukraine, he will ramp up support for Ukraine massively in order to force Putin to stop.
As he should.
All of the wahhhhhh, "We're adding to the debt supporting Ukraine," "We're adding to the debt supporting Israel" is like living in a house with an $11,000 a month mortgage and carrying $6,000 worth of car payments a month and worrying about not buying name brand peanut butter at the store. The amount of money we've spent on Ukraine since the conflict started in 2022 is right around 1% of the amount of money we spend every single year in the federal budget.
It's a tiny fraction of the money we're spending and its frankly disingenuous IMO to bray about it while no one is saying anything about cutting SS or Medicare.
Posted on 12/22/24 at 6:41 am to Sofaking2
quote:
There are very few if any fiscal conservatives left.
Because there are no brutally ugly consequences, just a slow trickle of inflation that eats people alive, people who don’t understand why it’s happening.
Like all bubbles, though, this one will burst. Then you’ll see people become fiscally conservative whether they like it or not.
Posted on 12/22/24 at 6:43 am to wackatimesthree
quote:
That's what you smooth brained populist sycophants don't understand.
Rich, coming from you.
Trump was elected last time to build a wall. He tried. The GOP majority congress stymied him, even though they claimed they supported the issue. Trump was elected last time to reform or remove Obamacare. The GOP majority congress again got in the way, despite having claimed throughout Obama's administration that this was a major issue for them. Trump reformed trade policies the GOP helped put in place, even though they ran their mouth about trade. Trump initiated an aggressive trade policy against China which the GOP is fond of calling a threat, until you use the word "tariff".
He has issues, but he has never been this mythical "fiscal conservative" never-Trumpers like you are currently re-writing him as, nor was that primarily why he was elected. But you know who also are not fiscally conservative? GOP stooges who claim it until missile dollars or Ukraine grift gets threatened, or ag handouts, tax loopholes closed, overseas slave labor threatened, US military held foreign mining and oil territory shaken up...
The only time I've heard "fiscally conservative" brought up this millennium has been when Trump was in office or running for office. It certainly wasn't brought up when Bush was forgiving mass debt, bailing out banks and waging never-ending wars around the globe. I didn't hear it when warmonger McCain was heralded as the heir apparent or when the GOP ran a left-wing venture capitalist as "the sober voice of business".
You want to do something about spending? It starts and ends with the federal reserve. Other than that, just STFU. You're talking out of your arse because you don't like Donald Trump.
Posted on 12/22/24 at 6:47 am to Eurocat
All of politics has become like rooting for your favorite sports team. No matter what the situation, cheer for any "loss" to the opposition, even if inconsequential. Excuse or overlook any fault in your favorite players.
I'm fine with both sides blowing themselves up.
I'm fine with both sides blowing themselves up.
Posted on 12/22/24 at 6:49 am to Eurocat
Leftists now joining up with bots to create division
Posted on 12/22/24 at 6:52 am to Eurocat
i haven't heard chip roy say one damn thing about the fact that congress hasn't passed a budget, which the constitution requires since 2008. roy is just a uniparty whore his problem is he's found religion, and as the ol' saying goes nothing worse than a whore that's found religion.
Posted on 12/22/24 at 6:54 am to Eurocat
Chip and Tim have been in congress since 2019.
They’ve had their chance to lead and it didnt produce any results.
They’ve had their chance to lead and it didnt produce any results.
Posted on 12/22/24 at 6:54 am to wackatimesthree
quote:Van Jones would like just a minute of your time ...
That's what you smooth brained populist sycophants don't understand.
Posted on 12/22/24 at 6:55 am to Eurocat
quote:
Fiscally conservative Republicans told Trump to go pound sand
So absolutely zero ppl told him to pound sand
Thanks
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