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Trump comes out strongly against port automation
Posted on 12/13/24 at 2:23 am
Posted on 12/13/24 at 2:23 am
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Posted on 12/13/24 at 2:34 am to Street Hawk
And why do they deserve any more protection from automation than the millions who have already lost their factory jobs to it, or the millions on the chopping block to AI?
Posted on 12/13/24 at 3:35 am to Street Hawk
Why in the hell should a president be able to decide if ports can be automated or not?
Posted on 12/13/24 at 3:44 am to Street Hawk
I thought Trump was a good negotiator? Are these the assholes that said they would break the country if they didn't get what they wanted?
Posted on 12/13/24 at 5:20 am to uziyourillusion
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And why do they deserve any more protection from automation than the millions who have already lost their factory jobs to it, or the millions on the chopping block to AI?
No shite. People who think Trump is going to be some real agent of change are naive.
Being a roadblock to automation and the advance of technology is the wrong side of history. Typical fricking 80 year old politician bullshite.
Posted on 12/13/24 at 5:26 am to Street Hawk
Oof. Swing and a miss on this one.
Posted on 12/13/24 at 5:32 am to stuntman
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Why in the hell should a president be able to decide if ports can be automated or not?
He’s not.
He’s just publicly offering his support to workers who may lose their jobs.
Posted on 12/13/24 at 5:33 am to Street Hawk
I understand that this will piss many off, especially the smooth-brained Libertarian cultists, but it turns out that just a bit of organized labor is actually a foundation of liberalism and is not automatically an anathema to efficiencies of conservatism and capitalism.
On the ports and longshoreman front, recall that this is directly related to balance of trade issues and is therefore another tactical choke point to leverage and negotiate.
TLDR; keep your pants on and see how this plays out. And who wants a bunch of Chinese tech automating our ports anyway?…
On the ports and longshoreman front, recall that this is directly related to balance of trade issues and is therefore another tactical choke point to leverage and negotiate.
TLDR; keep your pants on and see how this plays out. And who wants a bunch of Chinese tech automating our ports anyway?…
Posted on 12/13/24 at 5:34 am to Street Hawk
This is a perfect distillation of Trump and his populism versus the old GOP.
Trump comes down on the side of the American worker while free market principles really dictate the efficient allocation and application of capital on automation that doesn’t strike or renegotiate its deal every few years.
But this is a harbinger of things to come as AI and automation become more prevalent.
Your populace needs jobs to stabilize society (mainly the men). If AI and automation have taken all the labor-involved jobs, you’re going to have a whole lot of drunken dudes causing problems. It’ll be an Indian reservation on a larger scale.
You’ll have big business on one side maximizing value for shareholders by moving to automation with politicians and labor on the other side trying to save jobs for social cohesiveness purposes (the politicians) and naked power purposes (organized labor bosses).
Trump comes down on the side of the American worker while free market principles really dictate the efficient allocation and application of capital on automation that doesn’t strike or renegotiate its deal every few years.
But this is a harbinger of things to come as AI and automation become more prevalent.
Your populace needs jobs to stabilize society (mainly the men). If AI and automation have taken all the labor-involved jobs, you’re going to have a whole lot of drunken dudes causing problems. It’ll be an Indian reservation on a larger scale.
You’ll have big business on one side maximizing value for shareholders by moving to automation with politicians and labor on the other side trying to save jobs for social cohesiveness purposes (the politicians) and naked power purposes (organized labor bosses).
This post was edited on 12/13/24 at 5:36 am
Posted on 12/13/24 at 5:38 am to boosiebadazz
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Trump comes down on the side of the American worker
I don’t see this as anything other than detrimental to the American worker. The majority of workers aren’t port workers. My job will likely be replaced at some point. I’m hoping that given my age I can ride it out until then, but eventually many jobs will go the way of the horse and buggy. That’s what a developed economy entails. We would greatly benefit from more efficient ports. This isn’t America first because our ports are among the worst in the developed world.
Posted on 12/13/24 at 5:46 am to Street Hawk
This sounds more like appeasement to the longshoremen as a standard while still looking at actual value in modernization.
Posted on 12/13/24 at 5:56 am to boosiebadazz
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This is a perfect distillation of Trump and his populism versus the old GOP. Trump comes down on the side of the American worker while free market principles really dictate the efficient allocation and application of capital on automation that doesn’t strike or renegotiate its deal every few years. But this is a harbinger of things to come as AI and automation become more prevalent. Your populace needs jobs to stabilize society (mainly the men). If AI and automation have taken all the labor-involved jobs, you’re going to have a whole lot of drunken dudes causing problems. It’ll be an Indian reservation on a larger scale. You’ll have big business on one side maximizing value for shareholders by moving to automation with politicians and labor on the other side trying to save jobs for social cohesiveness purposes (the politicians) and naked power purposes (organized labor bosses).
Wow you made a good post.
Posted on 12/13/24 at 5:58 am to boosiebadazz
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Your populace needs jobs to stabilize society (mainly the men). If AI and automation have taken all the labor-involved jobs
Tucker Carlson did a segment on this a couple of years ago. He was discussing self-driving trucks that will eventually take over the freight industry. It would destroy the economy. Millions of non-college educated men would be out of a job. We can’t let that happen.
Posted on 12/13/24 at 6:18 am to POTUS2024
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I thought Trump was a good negotiator?
He is. Automation is inevitable and there will be automation coming in the future for ports. But by offering some words of support to the workers he may have put his hand on the scale just enough to save a few more jobs and keep a large number of workers from quickly finding themselves out in the cold.
So, change can be good. But it needs to be carefully implemented by taking into account the human factor.
Posted on 12/13/24 at 6:29 am to boosiebadazz
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It’ll be an Indian reservation on a larger scale.
RACIST! (J/k)
Now an Irish Pub after a big futbol match, on the other hand...
Posted on 12/13/24 at 6:33 am to Street Hawk
As a Trump voter and supporter, and someone who works in the maritime logistics industry, I could not disagree with this more. Foreign ports in Europe and Asia have embraced automation and their efficiency KPIs blow US port KPIs out of the water.
I was hoping Trump could talk some sense into this POS Daggett, but it appears not.
I was hoping Trump could talk some sense into this POS Daggett, but it appears not.
Posted on 12/13/24 at 6:35 am to Street Hawk
That’s a dumb af post right from Trump
Posted on 12/13/24 at 6:36 am to Hayekian serf
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My job will likely be replaced at some point. I’m hoping that given my age I can ride it out until then
But millions won’t be able to just ride it out.
So what’s next? UBI? A bunch of young men with idle hands? There is going to have to be some balance.
Also that tweet reads as if he’s talking about workers in general and says in this case, and notes the longshoremen.
This post was edited on 12/13/24 at 6:40 am
Posted on 12/13/24 at 6:45 am to uziyourillusion
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And why do they deserve any more protection from automation than the millions who have already lost their factory jobs to it, or the millions on the chopping block to AI?
Yeah, stupid as shite. This is the shite sandwich we have to eat for electing Trump. It's worth it if he can hack away at government and make an impact there, as well as making sense out of immigration. Anyway, we were gonna eat this shite sandwich, no matter who won.
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