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No, you are not on Indigenous land

Posted on 12/10/24 at 2:45 pm
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
37090 posts
Posted on 12/10/24 at 2:45 pm
This has to be one of the best pieces I've seen in awhile:

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The United States, like all nations, was created through territorial conquest. Most of its current territory was occupied or frequented by human beings before the U.S. came; the U.S. used force to either displace, subjugate, or kill all of those people. To the extent that land “ownership” existed under the previous inhabitants, the land of the U.S. is stolen land.

This was also true before the U.S. arrived. The forcible theft of the land upon which the U.S. now exists was not the first such theft; the people who lived there before conquered, displaced, or killed someone else in order to take the land. The land has been stolen and re-stolen again and again. If you somehow destroyed the United States, expelled its current inhabitants, and gave ownership of the land to the last recorded tribe that had occupied it before, you would not be returning it to its original occupants; you would simply be handing it to the next-most-recent conquerors.

If you go back far enough in time, of course, at some point this is no longer true. Humanity didn’t always exist; therefore for every piece of land, there was a first human to lay eyes on it, and a first human to say “This land is mine.” But by what right did this first human claim exclusive ownership of this land? Why does being the first person to see a natural object make you the rightful owner of that object? And why does being the first human to set foot on a piece of land give your blood descendants the right to dispose of that land as they see fit in perpetuity, and to exclude any and all others from that land? What about all the peoples of the world who were never lucky enough to be the first to lay eyes on any plot of dirt? Are they simply to be dispossessed forever?

I have never seen a satisfactory answer to these questions. Nor have I seen a satisfactory explanation of why ownership of land should be allocated collectively, in terms of racial or ethnic groups. In general, the first people who arrived on a piece of land did so in dribs and drabs, in small family units and tiny micro-tribes that met and married and fought and mixed and formed into larger identities and ethnicities and tribes over long periods of time. In most cases, the ethnic groups who now claim pieces of land as their own did not even exist when the first humans discovered or settled that land.


This is gold:

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But respect for Native American tribal organizations doesn’t have to stop at ancient obligations. There are ways to incorporate those tribes into the modern American nation that both respects them and their history and helps them prosper in the present.

Vancouver, Canada shows us an example of how this can be done. Part of Vancouver’s downtown urban area is officially under the governance of the Squamish Nation, rather than the city itself. The Squamish Nation, realizing they could do whatever they wanted with that land, decided to build a giant high-rise housing development:


Leading to:

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Hilariously, Vancouver’s NIMBYs are complaining, claiming that the developments are not in keeping with Indigenous tradition. But Canada’s First Nations seem to have little interest in hewing closely to other people’s view of what their traditions are. Modern people do not want to live like premodern farmers. They are not mystical Tolkien elves. They would like to have shiny new apartment buildings and walkable neighborhoods.




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Posted by Tantal
Member since Sep 2012
17749 posts
Posted on 12/10/24 at 2:49 pm to
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No, you are not on Indigenous land

It all comes down to "white man bad".
Posted by CoachChappy
Member since May 2013
33940 posts
Posted on 12/10/24 at 2:50 pm to
There is no such thing as Indigenous land. You were just the last people to be conquered for it, and we recorded it.

Boo fricking Hoo
Posted by Barbados
Member since Nov 2024
1924 posts
Posted on 12/10/24 at 2:54 pm to
I was born here

Therefore I am by definition indigenous

No one alive today is more indigenous than me but hundreds of millions are just as indigenous
Posted by StansberryRules
Member since Aug 2024
2890 posts
Posted on 12/10/24 at 2:54 pm to
Every single square mile of inhabited land on the planet has been conquered and reconquered dozens of times over, sometimes hundreds.
This post was edited on 12/10/24 at 4:36 pm
Posted by tadman
Member since Jun 2020
4831 posts
Posted on 12/10/24 at 2:55 pm to
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The forcible theft of the land upon which the U.S. now exists was not the first such theft; the people who lived there before conquered, displaced, or killed someone else in order to take the land.


This.

If you have any knowledge of history, anywhere in the world, you know that stolen land is the oldest trick in the book. I've read a number of Michener's books which are historical fiction but they usually go back thousands of years, and you learn that one tribe defeats another every decade or century and takes their land, their women, and their memory.
Posted by HottyToddy7
Member since Sep 2010
15247 posts
Posted on 12/10/24 at 2:55 pm to
Now do Palestine.

Same shite different continent.

Good post.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
32195 posts
Posted on 12/10/24 at 2:58 pm to
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Hilariously, Vancouver’s NIMBYs are complaining, claiming that the developments are not in keeping with Indigenous tradition.


Benevolent white people who call every other white person that disagrees with them "racist" angry that the minority who is the benefactor of their virtue signaling has chosen to act in their financial self interest in choosing out to use the land.

"How dare those 'Indigenous people act in their own self interest! We gave them that land to build and house their people in teepees!!!"
This post was edited on 12/10/24 at 2:59 pm
Posted by Tantal
Member since Sep 2012
17749 posts
Posted on 12/10/24 at 3:01 pm to
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"How dare those 'Indigenous people act in their own self interest! We gave them that land to build and house their people in teepees!!!"

This is what happened to the Washington Redskins. The name got changed due to outcry from white Karens, not Indians.
Posted by Grassy1
Member since Oct 2009
7330 posts
Posted on 12/10/24 at 3:02 pm to
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Now do Palestine.

Same shite different continent.


What reasons should American taxpayer dollars be used to conquer land for the premier elite country of Israel?
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
115741 posts
Posted on 12/10/24 at 3:04 pm to
John McWhorter explained the southward movement from geologists and linguistics. To simplify using modern names for people and places:
Indians lived in Alaska while America was occupied by Mexican tribes. Eskimos lived in China.
Then...
Indians moved south to America and kicked the Mexicans down to Mexico. The Eskimos moved from China to now unoccupied Alaska. The trip could be walked over the ice.
In the final conflicts for land the Eskimos got along pretty well. The Mexicans had some tribal wars. The Indians had constant and massive wars before the Europeans ever showed up.
This post was edited on 12/10/24 at 3:06 pm
Posted by i am dan
NC
Member since Aug 2011
28540 posts
Posted on 12/10/24 at 3:04 pm to
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It all comes down to "white man bad".


Yeah, it's only bad when white Europeans did it.
This post was edited on 12/10/24 at 3:05 pm
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
76043 posts
Posted on 12/10/24 at 3:05 pm to
Objectively, I think coming to a continent and systematically wiping out an ethnic population is a bad things and we did it relatively recently.

It’s not like Gauls being upset at Cesar.

That being said, we’re here.
it happened. we aren’t going back to europe. Given what happened to jews in europe, I cant be too upset it happened.

But when we talk about “white washing history” we kinda should have open eyes about it. I wouldn’t spend too much of my day dwelling on it, but I also not writing this article to be like “actually this was fine”
This post was edited on 12/10/24 at 3:07 pm
Posted by omegaman66
greenwell springs
Member since Oct 2007
24939 posts
Posted on 12/10/24 at 3:06 pm to
I stole it. It is now mine. Deal with it.
Posted by Radio One
On the banks of the Wabash
Member since Sep 2023
4819 posts
Posted on 12/10/24 at 3:08 pm to
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Benevolent white people who call every other white person that disagrees with them "racist"

Why, you’re describing a significant portion of the Rant (I mean the Rant proper, not all of TD is that bad).
Posted by Tantal
Member since Sep 2012
17749 posts
Posted on 12/10/24 at 3:09 pm to
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But when we talk about “white washing history” we kinda should have open eyes about it.

Our ancestors brought guns to knife fights and conquered this land. I'm not going to even pretend to apologize for it.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
37090 posts
Posted on 12/10/24 at 3:10 pm to
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also not writing this article to be like “actually this was fine”
He literally said the opposite.

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Objectively, I think coming to a continent and systematically wiping out an ethnic population is a bad things and we did it relatively recently.
I mean, part of it was unintentional (e.g. venereal disease), not to mention the Injuns sent some pretty bad bugs back to Europe.
Posted by Radio One
On the banks of the Wabash
Member since Sep 2023
4819 posts
Posted on 12/10/24 at 3:11 pm to
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SammyTiger

Were your ancestors involved in (literally) conquering/settling the continent?

Because mine were, going all the way back to Jamestown. If yours weren’t, I suspect the OP might read rather differently than it does for me.
Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
33917 posts
Posted on 12/10/24 at 3:13 pm to
Leftists love Darwin but they hate “survival of the fittest”.

Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
77055 posts
Posted on 12/10/24 at 3:14 pm to
I have a small sliver of neanderthal DNA so I want my land in the French Rivera back.
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