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Contractor Welder question
Posted on 12/4/24 at 6:01 am
Posted on 12/4/24 at 6:01 am
Driving to work this morning, a random thought came into my head, why do welders have to supply their own welding machine?
I would assume the contractor company supplies all of your welding rod, cutting torches, oxygen and acetylene tanks (I would assume they also supply the gas for the welding machine).
Is it just that Welder’s preference on welding machines? Is it more appealing when you apply for the Contract that you have your own equipment? What happens if your welding machine craps out? Is there a back up on site?
I would assume the contractor company supplies all of your welding rod, cutting torches, oxygen and acetylene tanks (I would assume they also supply the gas for the welding machine).
Is it just that Welder’s preference on welding machines? Is it more appealing when you apply for the Contract that you have your own equipment? What happens if your welding machine craps out? Is there a back up on site?
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Posted on 12/4/24 at 6:03 am to The Dunder Mifflin
1099 big dog
Posted on 12/4/24 at 6:06 am to The Dunder Mifflin
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welding machine
rented out to the client per hour/day/week/month same goes for the truck the rig sits on
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welding rod, cutting torches, oxygen and acetylene tanks
consumables tend to be charged back to the client. . . at a certain rate lol
Posted on 12/4/24 at 6:15 am to The Dunder Mifflin
They don't all supply their own machines.
Posted on 12/4/24 at 6:16 am to The Dunder Mifflin
No different then a backhoe operator supplying the backhoe.
The hourly rate includes the machine and all incidentals.
The hourly rate includes the machine and all incidentals.
Posted on 12/4/24 at 6:16 am to The Dunder Mifflin
Posted on 12/4/24 at 6:18 am to Snarfin
Most are independent contractors hired to complete a certain task. Such as at sugar mills, and small construction sites. Most chemical plants and refineries don't use these type of people and do supply everything you mentioned.
Posted on 12/4/24 at 6:56 am to The Dunder Mifflin
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Is it just that Welder’s preference on welding machines? Is it more appealing when you apply for the Contract that you have your own equipment? What happens if your welding machine craps out? Is there a back up on site?
The primary difference between a contract worker and an employee is that a contract worker does not get paid hourly for a specific schedule and supplies their own equipment. An employee gets paid by their time and the company supplies their equipment.
So an employee may get $50/ hour with company supplied truck and equipment, while a contractor may get paid $100/ hour to supply the equipment themselves and be responsible for upkeep. The time difference is that an employee has a schedule and the contractor just has a job to do and gets paid for how over many hours they work on it, but their arrival and departure are somewhat flexible depending on the contract.
This post was edited on 12/4/24 at 6:58 am
Posted on 12/4/24 at 7:00 am to TigerBalsagna
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1099 big dog
this. employee liabilities/benefits are a huge expense for the company.
Posted on 12/4/24 at 7:07 am to The Dunder Mifflin
If you’re a single hand the contractor supplies the machine. If you’re a rig hand you get paid for your arm and your truck/rig.
Posted on 12/4/24 at 7:07 am to The Dunder Mifflin
Bottom line, mobility, but they do rent the contractor's rig
Posted on 12/4/24 at 7:10 am to The Dunder Mifflin
In industrial construction, rig welders do supply their own welding machine but are supplemented onsite with consumables needed the for job. The truck and machine are given rig pay along with the welders wage.
That being said, we've found that rig welders tend to be higher caliber welders since they are the ones that have invested in themselves (i.e. rig truck).
The use of rig welders comes at a premium and usually depends on the access and needs of the particular project. If rig trucks aren't something the client wants, combo welders are used and a welding machine is supplied but they do not get the supplemental "rig pay".
That being said, we've found that rig welders tend to be higher caliber welders since they are the ones that have invested in themselves (i.e. rig truck).
The use of rig welders comes at a premium and usually depends on the access and needs of the particular project. If rig trucks aren't something the client wants, combo welders are used and a welding machine is supplied but they do not get the supplemental "rig pay".
Posted on 12/4/24 at 7:14 am to The Dunder Mifflin
quote:Duty Cycle
welding machine
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PS: He said “duty”.
Posted on 12/4/24 at 7:47 am to dtett
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That being said, we've found that rig welders tend to be higher caliber welders since they are the ones that have invested in themselves (i.e. rig truck).
I would have assumed this but it's cool to get confirmation.
I've got a golf buddy that was a career welder in a shop setting and was always bragging about how he was their ace welder. I'm a hobby welder and have done work inside a shop type setting as well as out in the open air. I've done more than what you consider a hobby welder but it's still probably on the greener side of any professional type of work.
My buddy had a small repair job he had found for a golf course (gate and track repair) but didn't have the equipment so I offered to go with him. I was insanely frustrated at the lacking forethought and execution he had on this job. To your point, he does not own a welding machine of any sort. I suppose the difference is the guy with the rig probably has the experience and understanding to think through what he needs to complete a job whereas a guy without equipment expects to show up, point and shoot. If he doesn't have what he needs, that's someone else's problem. That's how my job went at least.
We actually got into an argument about why I didn't buy a gas powered MIG welder. I bought a Miller Bobcat 230. He had no idea that the base engine drive welders are stick welders and it requires a suitcase Mig attachment to do MIG on a Engine drive welder. I basically won't offer to help him on another job.
This post was edited on 12/4/24 at 7:50 am
Posted on 12/4/24 at 7:50 am to The Dunder Mifflin
quote:
Driving to work this morning, a random thought came into my head, why do welders have to supply their own welding machine?
I would assume the contractor company supplies all of your welding rod, cutting torches, oxygen and acetylene tanks (I would assume they also supply the gas for the welding machine).
My BILs do this. They work for pipeline companies as independents. The odd part about it is that they get paid for the truck and the welder on a per diem basis but most often the company they are sub'd to supplies the welding machines and supplies.
Posted on 12/4/24 at 10:08 am to justjoe906
You are correct, but there are some exceptions. For example, years back I worked a job in Saraland, AL a facility there had to replace a few things and one of them happen to be a long arse steam line they deemed critical path. So they hired a bunch of rig welders and had it back up very quickly (in comparison to a run of the mill maintenance crew).
You get what you pay for.
You get what you pay for.
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