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Rifle "misfire" at a deer
Posted on 11/30/24 at 9:30 am
Posted on 11/30/24 at 9:30 am
Ok this story is coming to me with a couple of degrees of separation. I'm not in a position to interrogate the principal in this matter. But this is the information I've been given.
Typical shoe clerk hunter in my extended family group. Hunts 2 or 3 times a year. Doesn't know much about guns. Doesn't go to the range. Doesn't know if his gun is sighted in, etc etc etc. (Lately I've observed that there are more guys like this than ever. It's really concerning to me for the future of our sport.
Anyhow, this guy claims that a nice buck came out on him yesterday afternoon. And he pulled the trigger and got "a click, followed by a delayed firing of the gun". And of course a miss.
Interestingly, he claims this has happened to him before with this same gun.
That's all the information I have. But I've never heard of anything like this happening in my life.
So, I need the OB "gun guys" insight into this matter. These are the options:
A) Everything was normal. He just missed and he's making excuses.
B) It happened the way he said. It's a problem with the gun.
C) It happened the way he said. It's a problem with the ammunition.
D) Something else happened
Thanks for your informed insight and opinion
Typical shoe clerk hunter in my extended family group. Hunts 2 or 3 times a year. Doesn't know much about guns. Doesn't go to the range. Doesn't know if his gun is sighted in, etc etc etc. (Lately I've observed that there are more guys like this than ever. It's really concerning to me for the future of our sport.
Anyhow, this guy claims that a nice buck came out on him yesterday afternoon. And he pulled the trigger and got "a click, followed by a delayed firing of the gun". And of course a miss.
Interestingly, he claims this has happened to him before with this same gun.
That's all the information I have. But I've never heard of anything like this happening in my life.
So, I need the OB "gun guys" insight into this matter. These are the options:
A) Everything was normal. He just missed and he's making excuses.
B) It happened the way he said. It's a problem with the gun.
C) It happened the way he said. It's a problem with the ammunition.
D) Something else happened
Thanks for your informed insight and opinion
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Posted on 11/30/24 at 9:35 am to No Colors
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And he pulled the trigger and got "a click, followed by a delayed firing of the gun".
Tell him to get a bolt action, not a flintlock
Only “misfire” issues I’ve seen are bad .22 rounds and a .30-06 with a weak firing pin spring. Obviously neither of these cause a delayed firing
This post was edited on 11/30/24 at 9:42 am
Posted on 11/30/24 at 9:40 am to No Colors
What kind of rifle is it? My son’s CVA hunter SS would fail to fire every so often.
Posted on 11/30/24 at 9:41 am to pdubya76
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What kind of rifle is it?
Conventional bolt action center fire rifle.
Posted on 11/30/24 at 9:53 am to No Colors
Whatever he does, tell him not look down the bore after a misfire. He could lose his head over it……
Posted on 11/30/24 at 9:55 am to No Colors
Firing pin isn’t striking hard enough.
Posted on 11/30/24 at 10:00 am to 257WBY
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Firing pin isn’t striking hard enough.
Thanks for your insight. I'm trying to get my mind around this. I think we've all see rounds that went "click" and then you eject the shell and it has a dimple on the primer. So it either didn't hit hard enough. Or it was a defective round. I get that.
It's the delayed Bang that has me scratching my head. But glad to know that's a thing. So at least it's a fixable problem.
Posted on 11/30/24 at 10:01 am to No Colors
His bolt may be rusted inside.
He needs to take it apart and clean it. Once you know how to do it it isn’t hard but takes a little practice to get them apart.
ETA: maybe the ammo. Called a hang fire.
I’ve never seen it happen but I know it can.
He needs to take it apart and clean it. Once you know how to do it it isn’t hard but takes a little practice to get them apart.
ETA: maybe the ammo. Called a hang fire.
I’ve never seen it happen but I know it can.
This post was edited on 11/30/24 at 10:14 am
Posted on 11/30/24 at 10:03 am to No Colors
I’m not able to make the connection to a delayed fire either.
Posted on 11/30/24 at 10:09 am to turkish
If he’ll shoot a box of new ammo through the gun, it’d answer a lot of questions.
Posted on 11/30/24 at 10:19 am to No Colors
Take that gun to a range and run different ammo through it. See if it’s the ammo, the gun , or no issues at all.
Posted on 11/30/24 at 11:05 am to No Colors
I think that's what the reloaders call a hang fire, which usually happens from some kind of goofy load combination.
I've never had that happen with a centerfire. They always either went off or they didn't and I've only had one ever not go off.
I'm going with "full of shite" if he's shooting factory ammo.
I've never had that happen with a centerfire. They always either went off or they didn't and I've only had one ever not go off.
I'm going with "full of shite" if he's shooting factory ammo.
Posted on 11/30/24 at 11:15 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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I'm going with "full of shite" if he's shooting factory ammo.
This is my default position of course. But im trying to work myself into the position of being able to believe that this is an actual defect in gun or ammo.
Posted on 11/30/24 at 11:20 am to No Colors
I’d start with a good cleaning (including the bolt, as has been said) and a new box of ammo.
Depending on the gun, maybe look at and clean the trigger assembly, unless you’re not comfortable doing that.
At the very least he’s bought a box of ammo…which is never a bad thing.
Depending on the gun, maybe look at and clean the trigger assembly, unless you’re not comfortable doing that.
At the very least he’s bought a box of ammo…which is never a bad thing.
Posted on 11/30/24 at 11:29 am to No Colors
A hang fire is an ammunition problem. What cartridge is the gun? Seems highly unlikely that it would happen with factory ammo unless he ended up with small rifle primer .308 or something.
I wonder if he continued to shoot the same ammo that produced a hang fire. If my ammo even looks at me funny it’s reserved for range blasting.
I wonder if he continued to shoot the same ammo that produced a hang fire. If my ammo even looks at me funny it’s reserved for range blasting.
This post was edited on 11/30/24 at 11:30 am
Posted on 11/30/24 at 11:39 am to No Colors
My uncle’s browning a-bolt medallion started doing this year before last. Tried cleaning everything and it still would delay. Ended up having the bolt taken down and cleaned good, and changed a “spring and a pin” and now it works fine.
His case wasn’t the ammo, I dry fired it and it was a solid second before the pin dropped after the trigger let go.
Trying to get ol boy to tell me what he changed…hang tight
Nevermind, didn’t change anything. Clean the trigger mech good. Bring it to someone if he don’t know what he’s doing
His case wasn’t the ammo, I dry fired it and it was a solid second before the pin dropped after the trigger let go.
Trying to get ol boy to tell me what he changed…hang tight
Nevermind, didn’t change anything. Clean the trigger mech good. Bring it to someone if he don’t know what he’s doing
This post was edited on 11/30/24 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 11/30/24 at 11:48 am to No Colors
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Doesn't go to the range. Doesn't know if his gun is sighted in, etc etc etc.
yea, this is whom wildlife management areas were created for…
Posted on 11/30/24 at 11:54 am to Big_country346
Had it happen with a .bolt action 270 20 years ago on a very cold morning with an over oiled mechanism. Scary to be honest.
Posted on 11/30/24 at 12:01 pm to Big_country346
This ^^^
The bolt needs to be taken down (firing mechanism removed from bolt housing) and cleaned, including the hole that the firing pin goes through. I’ve seen them get full of carbon and oil and crud. Dipshite likely has never cleaned gun. Have seen two do this same thing. Pull trigger,”click” feels like it should go off but doesn’t then bang. The spring tension finally pushed the pin through the obstruction “crud”. It’s easy to take apart, once you know how. There are some tricks however and unless you know your way around a gun you/he should let a gunsmith deal with it. I have begun pulling mine after the season, cleaning and reassembling them as part of yearly maintenance.
The bolt needs to be taken down (firing mechanism removed from bolt housing) and cleaned, including the hole that the firing pin goes through. I’ve seen them get full of carbon and oil and crud. Dipshite likely has never cleaned gun. Have seen two do this same thing. Pull trigger,”click” feels like it should go off but doesn’t then bang. The spring tension finally pushed the pin through the obstruction “crud”. It’s easy to take apart, once you know how. There are some tricks however and unless you know your way around a gun you/he should let a gunsmith deal with it. I have begun pulling mine after the season, cleaning and reassembling them as part of yearly maintenance.
This post was edited on 11/30/24 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 11/30/24 at 12:24 pm to DocHolliday1964
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The spring tension finally pushed the pin through the obstruction “crud”.
Bingo. All my uncle said was “something about a spring and a pin” then the way he explained it is what you’re saying. He brought it to Louisiana firearms in BR and ol boy cleaned the pin in 10 minutes.
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