I just find it hard to care anymore

Same..with so much up and coming talent and many teams with superstars, this team doesn’t really have a chance of competing for the next decade lol. Keep Murray, Herb, Trey, hawk, Jose, and everyone else can walk. Hopefully we can get top picks this year and somehow Flagg doesn’t become a lazy injury prone POS when he’s drafted by us

I wasted $100 on League Pass.

I watched the Bulls game and the first warriors one and that's it.

Just dgaf anymore. It's over.

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We have been here many times.

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That’s the point I’m making big dawg

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Lowest the vibes have been since AD asked out. Maybe even lower.

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I’m going with lower

It’s rare when a season is over in November

And the focus shifts to tanking, firing the HC, and the most-efficient way to get rid of an overall Number 1 draft pick that has turned into an embarrassing bust

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we're going to make the play-in with a great team.

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yay?

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And I still expect Zion to come back in early January and play at the level that he did last season.

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That level wasn't good enough for playing 70 games, it definitely won't be good enough for playing ~35-40 games.

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So, go ahead and mock me if you like, but I thought that we had a great team going into the season, and now I think that the emergence of Missi fills the massive hole we had at center and makes us a more complete team.

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I am of the same opinion, I just don’t believe Griff and Coach Green can lead the charge. Just too many basketball related issues.

Think the issue for longterm fans is that by Y6 of Griffin/Zion era expectation was Pels would be playing for conference championships and chips.

We aren’t, obviously, and we don’t seem very close, or any closer, than we were five years ago. In the meantime, franchises with less talent and fewer resources than the Pels started with in 2019 have passed us by and are close to lapping us at this point. Our supposed super star, the corner stone of the franchise, has demonstrated conclusively that he is not a player you can build around with any confidence for success. Once you recognize that, you are in rebuild mode. If you don’t recognize it, you remain in purgatory, which is worse.

The situation with Davis at least offered a plausible way out. He remained a high value asset you could monetize. Zion and Ingram’s values have turned to ashes. Management either doesn’t recognize this, or worse, won’t accept it because it will trigger a reckoning of their leadership. So like some piss poor over-leveraged S&L, they refuse to write down their assets preferring to live in a fantasy land until reality crashes down around them.

Ownership should recognize it needs to bring in a turn around artist who will accept sunk costs, stop living off yesterday’s promise and slash and burn down to the core before starting a rebuild. But that would require vision and courage.

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Think the issue for longterm fans is that by Y6 of Griffin/Zion era expectation was Pels would be playing for conference championships and chips.

We aren’t, obviously, and we don’t seem very close, or any closer, than we were five years ago. In the meantime, franchises with less talent and fewer resources than the Pels started with in 2019 have passed us by and are close to lapping us at this point. Our supposed super star, the corner stone of the franchise, has demonstrated conclusively that he is not a player you can build around with any confidence for success. Once you recognize that, you are in rebuild mode. If you don’t recognize it, you remain in purgatory, which is worse.

The situation with Davis at least offered a plausible way out. He remained a high value asset you could monetize. Zion and Ingram’s values have turned to ashes. Management either doesn’t recognize this, or worse, won’t accept it because it will trigger a reckoning of their leadership. So like some piss poor over-leveraged S&L, they refuse to write down their assets preferring to live in a fantasy land until reality crashes down around them.

Ownership should recognize it needs to bring in a turn around artist who will accept sunk costs, stop living off yesterday’s promise and slash and burn down to the core before starting a rebuild. But that would require vision and courage.

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Preach brother

Griff's biggest mistake was not taking garland (by all accounts we would have taken hunter).

However, he's done a good job of finding roster pieces via draft and trades. Got out when it didn't work, but tried. The issue is he fell into the you have to make zion happy and if you build around him - you don't build around Ingram and you're already behind.

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he’s gonna be a stud (because he is one when he’s healthy)

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Ehhh… he’s an efficient scorer, but he’s a very one dimensional player that is not a good defender