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The running game was not vanilla
Posted on 11/11/24 at 7:48 am
Posted on 11/11/24 at 7:48 am
All year I’ve been seeing people asking “why don’t we run any [concept]” when in fact, it’s something we already run.
I’ve seen a few of those same comments since the game Saturday. I went back and watched every LSU running play. I counted 21 designed runs. Out of the 21 designed runs, we had:
- A fake RB power into a WR end around to Thomas going the opposite way.
- A counter to a WR (Thomas was in motion behind Nuss then we ran counter to him, going back in the direction he came from).
- A later play where we did the same motion with Thomas but ran power to the RB, going the other way. Clearly trying to get defense to bite on the misdirection they saw earlier.
- A jet sweep to Thomas.
- A direct snap to Ju’Juan Johnson.
- A play where we faked a direct snap to get the defense’s eyes on Williams, then had Nuss go under for the QB sneak while Williams looked at the sideline.
5 of our 21 designed runs, basically a quarter of them, were gadget plays (6 of you count the jet sweep, but I wouldn’t consider jet sweeps to be gadget plays).
Of the remaining 15 plays not listed above, I counted the following:
- 7 zone (I counted 4 outside and 3 inside, but it’s possible I have the split wrong in this).
- 5 counter/power
- 3 dives/slam
5 of these 15 plays included some sort of eye candy/misdirection. Usually involving some sort of motion by Mason Taylor at the snap. One of the more clever ones IMO was a weak side toss that only went for 3 yards, but seemed to catch the defense off-guard on a 3rd & 1.
All of this to say - folks who think we are super vanilla in the running game are just wrong. We were probably more exotic in this game than we have been previously, but we’ve done a ton of different stuff all year. Possibly too much to be honest.
The single biggest issue in the run game this weekend, at least to my eyes, seemed to be the fact that somebody was constantly getting pushed into the backfield. Especially on the counters/powers. It seemed like every time we ran those plays there was someone on the playside getting pushed back in the way of the pullers, creating a logjam instead of a hole.
I’ve seen a few of those same comments since the game Saturday. I went back and watched every LSU running play. I counted 21 designed runs. Out of the 21 designed runs, we had:
- A fake RB power into a WR end around to Thomas going the opposite way.
- A counter to a WR (Thomas was in motion behind Nuss then we ran counter to him, going back in the direction he came from).
- A later play where we did the same motion with Thomas but ran power to the RB, going the other way. Clearly trying to get defense to bite on the misdirection they saw earlier.
- A jet sweep to Thomas.
- A direct snap to Ju’Juan Johnson.
- A play where we faked a direct snap to get the defense’s eyes on Williams, then had Nuss go under for the QB sneak while Williams looked at the sideline.
5 of our 21 designed runs, basically a quarter of them, were gadget plays (6 of you count the jet sweep, but I wouldn’t consider jet sweeps to be gadget plays).
Of the remaining 15 plays not listed above, I counted the following:
- 7 zone (I counted 4 outside and 3 inside, but it’s possible I have the split wrong in this).
- 5 counter/power
- 3 dives/slam
5 of these 15 plays included some sort of eye candy/misdirection. Usually involving some sort of motion by Mason Taylor at the snap. One of the more clever ones IMO was a weak side toss that only went for 3 yards, but seemed to catch the defense off-guard on a 3rd & 1.
All of this to say - folks who think we are super vanilla in the running game are just wrong. We were probably more exotic in this game than we have been previously, but we’ve done a ton of different stuff all year. Possibly too much to be honest.
The single biggest issue in the run game this weekend, at least to my eyes, seemed to be the fact that somebody was constantly getting pushed into the backfield. Especially on the counters/powers. It seemed like every time we ran those plays there was someone on the playside getting pushed back in the way of the pullers, creating a logjam instead of a hole.
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Posted on 11/11/24 at 7:50 am to lostinbr
We def tried to mix up some running plays far more than usual. Jet sweeps and some others that seemed to work fairly well.
Posted on 11/11/24 at 7:50 am to lostinbr
Somebody call that guy who changed the run game Os last year against Florida.
Posted on 11/11/24 at 7:50 am to lostinbr
We are running into the back of our center that’s skating backwards on every play. QUIT RUNNING UP THE MIDDLE
Posted on 11/11/24 at 7:50 am to lostinbr
Umm, I don’t think it’s a coincidence it was one of our best games running the ball…..
Basically it proved we actually were correct, it’s all about scheme
We did motion, end around, outside the tackles, etc. It’s ridiculous it took this long
Basically it proved we actually were correct, it’s all about scheme
We did motion, end around, outside the tackles, etc. It’s ridiculous it took this long
This post was edited on 11/11/24 at 7:56 am
Posted on 11/11/24 at 7:58 am to lsupride87
quote:You didn't read the entire post.
Umm, I don’t think it’s a coincidence it was one of our best games running the ball…..
Basically it proved we actually were correct, it’s all about scheme
We did motion, end around, outside the tackles, etc. It’s ridiculous it took this long
Or you ignored the part of the post you didn't like.
Either way, you're wrong.
Posted on 11/11/24 at 8:02 am to lostinbr
The problem with the running game on Saturday is that we used something unique... it worked... but we ended up going right back to the old ways once we reached redzone.
Posted on 11/11/24 at 8:03 am to Salviati
Except this was one of our best games rushing the ball so you didn’t seem to see things correctly
It was our second highest yards per carry game of the entire season against the P5
It was our second highest yards per carry game of the entire season against the P5
This post was edited on 11/11/24 at 8:04 am
Posted on 11/11/24 at 8:10 am to lostinbr
quote:
The single biggest issue in the run game
Just happens to be the entire group that said “we are going to run the ball and there is nothing you can do about it”.
THE MOST OVERRATED POSITION GROUP IN LSU HISTORY.
Worst run blocking O/L that I can remember at LSU.
Posted on 11/11/24 at 8:10 am to Salviati
quote:
Either way, you're wrong.
Not really. This last game (in garbage time mostly) we saw plays we haven't seen in a long while. Plays that would work and pick up yardage only to never be seen again. The biggest problem is our whole team is weak and getting pushed around. Even our 'All Americans'. Our strength and conditioning program isn't getting the job done and having a timid coach who has no fight in him unless it's a table isn't either. Nobody has claimed the OL is doing a good job. A certain center of ours shouldn't be playing D3 ball, much less SEC.
But if you're an offensive coordinator, you should see this and know it. Adjust plays to get outside more because you KNOW your center is a turnstile. For countless games, we have run right at our weakness on 2nd down. Predictable as hell with no result. It's head scratching why we can't see those plays when it matters and not in garbage time. Same with Redzone offense and always pulling your best back and putting in Williams.
Posted on 11/11/24 at 8:12 am to lsupride87
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Umm, I don’t think it’s a coincidence it was one of our best games running the ball…..
Basically it proved we actually were correct, it’s all about scheme
Outside of Durham’s first run (which wasn’t an exotic play at all) our RBs had 15 rushes for 33 yards (2.2 ypc).
Add the two runs by Zaivion Thomas and you’re up to 3.0 ypc. That’s against the weakest SEC rushing defense we’ve played.
Funny thing is, we’ve run that stretch play (the one play that accounted for half of our rushing yards) before and tRant has called it the same ole shitty play calling.
quote:
We did motion, end around, outside the tackles, etc. It’s ridiculous it took this long
Minus the end around, we’ve done these things all year. We might have run the end around as well, would have to rewatch previous games.
Posted on 11/11/24 at 8:14 am to OU812ME2
quote:
This last game (in garbage time mostly) we saw plays we haven't seen in a long while.
Again, wrong. The exotic shite was when the game was still competitive. We went nearly 100% pass when it got out of hand, and when we did run it was our normal counter/power/zone.
Posted on 11/11/24 at 8:30 am to lostinbr
another issue; they consistantly pulled Caden out when they got into the redzone when he was hot and had momentum to put in Josh who was coming in cold.
Posted on 11/11/24 at 8:34 am to lostinbr
quote:Well then go take away our best runs in all the other games as well
Outside of Durham’s first run (which wasn’t an exotic play at all) our RBs had 15 rushes for 33 yards (2.2 ypc). Add the two runs by Zaivion Thomas and you’re up to 3.0 ypc. That’s against the weakest SEC rushing defense we’ve played.
This post was edited on 11/11/24 at 8:35 am
Posted on 11/11/24 at 8:51 am to lostinbr
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folks who think we are super vanilla in the running game are just wrong
Because people who don't understand the game of football only see it as "running it up da middle" or "running it outside" and have no clue what actually occurs in the box during a football game. They just watch where the ball goes and that's fine! They just don't need to be analyzing X's and O's. And don't let them get started on the RPO!
Posted on 11/11/24 at 8:52 am to lsupride87
Umm, I don’t think it’s a coincidence it was one of our best games running the ball…..
Basically it proved we actually were correct, it’s all about scheme
We did motion, end around, outside the tackles, etc. It’s ridiculous it took this long
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You are acting like we were successful running the ball. Did you watch the game? 104 yards rushing is not successful. Caden breaking off for 45 makes the stats look better. Our 2nd best run was a 12 scramble by Nuss. Our Oline won very few plays. Let's not act like we figured it out. Those 2 plays are half the yards we gained rushing.
Basically it proved we actually were correct, it’s all about scheme
We did motion, end around, outside the tackles, etc. It’s ridiculous it took this long
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You are acting like we were successful running the ball. Did you watch the game? 104 yards rushing is not successful. Caden breaking off for 45 makes the stats look better. Our 2nd best run was a 12 scramble by Nuss. Our Oline won very few plays. Let's not act like we figured it out. Those 2 plays are half the yards we gained rushing.
Posted on 11/11/24 at 9:52 am to KWL85
Kelly (as much as I hate him atm) was right at the presser. He said they need to be better about doing things that make the players most successful. Like they’re trying to do things these guys can’t do well. Why it’s taken this long to see it I don’t know.
This post was edited on 11/11/24 at 9:54 am
Posted on 11/11/24 at 10:10 am to lsupride87
quote:
Umm, I don’t think it’s a coincidence it was one of our best games running the ball…..
You talking about the Bama game? we had something like 103 yds rushing and 45 came on one big play by Durham.
Posted on 11/11/24 at 10:12 am to abellsujr
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Somebody call that guy who changed the run game Os last year against Florida.
Brad Davis?? The one who people want to fire?
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