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When did you stop worrying about money?

Posted on 10/18/24 at 10:06 am
Posted by lesgeaux
Member since Jul 2008
3743 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 10:06 am
I am 35 and own my own business with a career that should be fruitful - dentistry. Unfortunately, my business has not been doing as well as our family expected it would. I see no end in sight of the literal 24/7 anxiety and sleepless nights. Curious if I’m alone or if this is somewhat par for the course for others my age
Posted by Boss
Member since Dec 2007
1610 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 10:11 am to
Do botox - cash cow for dentists nowadays.
Posted by lesgeaux
Member since Jul 2008
3743 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 10:14 am to
I don’t like to do cash grab treatments; Botox from dentists feels a bit slimy to me
Posted by SM1010
Member since Oct 2020
1189 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 10:15 am to
Im 37 and I'm not really worried at this point. We've stacked a lot of money into retirement and live far below our means in a small 1000 sq ft house that we've paid off (mortgage was equally small so we were able to slay it). So even if we both have bouts of unemployment or other job issues we should still at least end up a modest retirement hopefully.

But we don't have kids and I was very fortunate that my parents got me through college with no debt so I'm well aware I had a pretty big advantage a lot of people don't have. Very grateful for that
Posted by Boss
Member since Dec 2007
1610 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 10:16 am to
Maybe so, but if you need the money it's there for the taking. I have a buddy doing it. He is still a dentist first and foremost, but he cleared 500k doing botox alone last year.
Posted by beaverfever
Little Rock
Member since Jan 2008
34237 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 10:20 am to
Do you feel like you have a good handle on why your business is not performing as expected? You’ll be stressed until you diagnose that.
Posted by lesgeaux
Member since Jul 2008
3743 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 10:32 am to
Fear / lack of confidence to tell patients what treatment I think they need to schedule for and worried that they’ll get pissed and leave my office thinking I’m trying to scam them and am out for their money. So a lot of times I’ll shy away from telling them to schedule a crown or whatever and will say we can just check it again next time and let me know if it starts hurting. Or I’ll feel obligated to give way too many people way too big of discounts thinking it’s the nice thing to do.

Also, I don’t have nearly enough patients to fill my schedule sufficiently
Posted by Boss
Member since Dec 2007
1610 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 10:44 am to
Did you start the practice yourself or inherit it? If you started it you need to market it to get more clients.

Also, this is a business. You are the expert. Make the recommendation for the dental treatments and let the patient decide if they want to proceed. And stop being nice with money. This isn’t a barter system. You charge them what the cost is.
Posted by ItzMe1972
Member since Dec 2013
11404 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 11:04 am to
"Also, I don’t have nearly enough patients to fill my schedule sufficiently"
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Sound like you need some marketing help. Also more confidence in your services to price them at market.

Does the ADA have any conventions that may be helpful?
Posted by Lawyered
The Sip
Member since Oct 2016
34614 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 11:07 am to
Maybe look into some holistic dentistry ?

Offer sleep apnea studies ( have the ring you wear and download an app and let the patients sleep at home ) and mouthpieces

Do something different
Posted by NewIberiaHaircut
Lafayette
Member since May 2013
12040 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 11:17 am to
You need to expand your procedural offerings. If all you’re doing is drill and fill you will always be worried about money. Use existing technology that is out there to help communicate treatment plans with patients and get better case acceptance.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
38378 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 11:21 am to
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I don’t like to do cash grab treatments; Botox from dentists feels a bit slimy to me


Maybe I'm jaded, but in my relatively short career thus far I've learned that you're highly unlikely to ever make the "big" bucks if you aren't ok with doing things that are a "bit slimy"

My current boss is a great guy/mentor/professional, but he probably makes an extra 100-150k a year doing things that I wouldn't recommend to our clients. But he does recommend them, and he makes a shitton of money doing it. Nothing unethical. Just "a bit slimy"
Posted by tke_swamprat
Houma, LA
Member since Aug 2004
10512 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 12:05 pm to
Thats what my dentist does. He only practices dentistry 2 days a week and does sleep apnea stuff the other days. He just wants to do sleep apnea stuff and recently got a 1-2 new dentist to work.
Posted by DoomGuy504
Member since May 2024
124 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 12:08 pm to
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My current boss is a great guy/mentor/professional


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I wouldn't recommend to our clients.


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Nothing unethical.


I might need more info but none of this computes. This is how it starts and then greed wins out.
Posted by TheBoo
South to Louisiana
Member since Aug 2012
5095 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 12:23 pm to
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Fear / lack of confidence to tell patients what treatment I think they need to schedule

Do you lack confidence that it's the right treatment?







Then why would you feel like you are pulling one over on them? You sound like you have a bad case of imposter syndrome going on. If you want to supplement your conscience by not charging too much for your services, then do a market analysis and charge less than your competitors.

You need return customers on a treatment plan. That creates steady hygiene production which at minimum can float your business. Do you have a hygienist?

Also, a very hot procedure for dentists lately is laser frenectomies for babies. You can sleep peacefully at night knowing you are changing new mom's and babies lives for the better, and it's a high production procedure since it doesn't take long.

How big of a market are you in? Are you the town dentist?
This post was edited on 10/18/24 at 12:26 pm
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
38378 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 12:26 pm to
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I might need more info but none of this computes. This is how it starts and then greed wins out.




Some people would call it "going the extra mile" perhaps. Well that extra mile isn't free.
Posted by makersmark1
earth
Member since Oct 2011
18434 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 1:31 pm to
Be true to yourself.
Do right things.
Do your best.

Are you not getting patients?
What is the main issue?
Posted by hiltacular
NYC
Member since Jan 2011
19958 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 1:33 pm to
If I didn't have two young kids I think my general anxiety would be extremely low considering my circumstances but it is hard to see how I can stop worrying until they are about 30 years old.
Posted by BeerThirty
Red Stick
Member since May 2017
955 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 1:51 pm to
Couple of things here. My wife is a dentist and I’m a business owner as well.
The whole Botox=slimy thing doesn’t compute to mean and you should be looking at it differently. A metric shite ton of women do it and want it, so that is strictly a service you would be providing. Why not make their lives easier and offer it at your office too? Adds a convenience factor, if you’re a good dentist adds a trust factor.
Another thing my wife added was a consultant and it has paid for itself in spades. They came in and got her staff and processes in order to where they are now a ml pretty well oiled machine. Staff is making more money which means she is as well. It’s daunting looking at the cost up front but without a doubt it has been worth it.
As far as the discounts go, that’s a tough one because I am bad about that myself but sometimes things like that pay for themselves in the long run, but also I like helping people. Again, a good consultant can help with things like that and put into perspective too.
Posted by lesgeaux
Member since Jul 2008
3743 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 2:01 pm to
I agree with your points here but I guess also I feel like it’s easier for the female dentists to offer Botox than some dude like myself

To answer other questions on here, I purchased the office but the handoff from the previous owner was horrid and I lost about 70% of the patient base and have been trying to grow it back ever since. I don’t really have the budget for much marketing but have been trying to do a little bit without coming off like Morris Bart lol. I have invested in a lot of CE and technology and advanced training but yeah, I guess it’s just a confidence thing in talking with people and trying to make sure I treat them with tremendous care - I always want to stay true to myself like the above poster said and have integrity and be genuine.

I do think maybe I should consider a consultant — or maybe a therapist lol
This post was edited on 10/18/24 at 2:03 pm
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