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What are we guessing the starting lineup is Wednesday?
Posted on 10/18/24 at 9:52 am
Posted on 10/18/24 at 9:52 am
I'm sure this thread will piss some people off. 
Since preseason is over and Willie has not announced the starting lineup as of today, what are we officially thinking guys?
PG (1): DM
SG (2): BI
SF (3): Herb
PF (4): Zion
C (5): Theis
I just don't see how it's any other way. When Trey gets back, I could see us running Trey/Herb/Zion at the 3-5, but can't imagine we run small ball to start the season with BI/Zion/Herb as our big bodies with DM/CJ at guard spots.
Since preseason is over and Willie has not announced the starting lineup as of today, what are we officially thinking guys?
PG (1): DM
SG (2): BI
SF (3): Herb
PF (4): Zion
C (5): Theis
I just don't see how it's any other way. When Trey gets back, I could see us running Trey/Herb/Zion at the 3-5, but can't imagine we run small ball to start the season with BI/Zion/Herb as our big bodies with DM/CJ at guard spots.
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Posted on 10/18/24 at 10:00 am to Ryan3232
I like it.
I hate the idea of Jones getting killed while Murphy is also out.
Let Theis bang around for 6-8 minutes and then start tinkering with Jones or Murphy(when he comes back)at center.
CJ can come in at the 1 or 2 and when Murphy comes back, he can play the 5 some.
I hate the idea of Jones getting killed while Murphy is also out.
Let Theis bang around for 6-8 minutes and then start tinkering with Jones or Murphy(when he comes back)at center.
CJ can come in at the 1 or 2 and when Murphy comes back, he can play the 5 some.
Posted on 10/18/24 at 10:03 am to Ryan3232
That is by far the most logical starting group, but I will believe Willie has the balls to bench CJ when I see it
Posted on 10/18/24 at 10:24 am to Ryan3232
The problem is Theis hasn't looked any good outside of his first game and his rebounding has been worse than Missi. I'm really concerned about Theis and his ability to be more than just a body out there.
Posted on 10/18/24 at 10:42 am to Fun Bunch
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That is by far the most logical starting group, but I will believe Willie has the balls to bench CJ when I see it
This.
I will believe CJ is going to start over Herb, until I actually see it not happen.
I do'nt think it's out of the realm of possiblity that Theis doesn't start, especially considering he was pretty terrible in those last 2 preseason games. The fact that you saw Missi more in that last game says a lot.
Best way to not piss anyone off is to not start Theis.
Posted on 10/18/24 at 10:46 am to Ryan3232
PG (1): DM
SG (2): CJ
SF (3): BI
PF (4): Zion
C (5): Herb
SG (2): CJ
SF (3): BI
PF (4): Zion
C (5): Herb
Posted on 10/18/24 at 11:42 am to Champs
quote:
PG (1): DM
SG (2): CJ
SF (3): BI
PF (4): Zion
C (5): Herb
This was mine as well
Posted on 10/18/24 at 11:49 am to htran90
Willie has actually had really good things to say about Missi in the preseason and in camp, and it sounds like he wants him to be someone who can start.
It was interesting hearing him talk about how having a guy who can set good picks and be a threat as a rim runner opens up more 3's for the team. Theis doesn't do that, and Willie praised Missi for that.
If they are goign to start a 5, then i'd rather it be Missi than Theis. Just throw him out there. If he starts to struggle, then move him to a bench role.
It was interesting hearing him talk about how having a guy who can set good picks and be a threat as a rim runner opens up more 3's for the team. Theis doesn't do that, and Willie praised Missi for that.
If they are goign to start a 5, then i'd rather it be Missi than Theis. Just throw him out there. If he starts to struggle, then move him to a bench role.
Posted on 10/18/24 at 11:58 am to supe12sta12z
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I'm really concerned about Theis and his ability to be more than just a body out there.
Theis is adequate to fill the Nance role at best. Asking him to fill the JV role is just not going to work. I don't think the starting 5 matters because Willie is going to go through a bunch of different lineups looking for some magic that will makeup for the lack of rebounding.
Unfortunately I don't think you find that lineup until Trey is back.
The Pels need to look at the center position as maximizing the amount of minutes they can soak up to limit how much of a beating BI/Herb/Trey/Zion take in small ball/no center lineups. To me that's the goal of the center this season, not being good at being centers, but being good enough to keep the Death Lineup healthy.
Posted on 10/18/24 at 12:04 pm to TigerinATL
correct. Just try your best to limit the minutes Zion/Bi/Trey/Herb have to deal with big opposing 5's.
Posted on 10/18/24 at 12:20 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:
Willie has actually had really good things to say about Missi in the preseason and in camp, and it sounds like he wants him to be someone who can start.
It was interesting hearing him talk about how having a guy who can set good picks and be a threat as a rim runner opens up more 3's for the team. Theis doesn't do that, and Willie praised Missi for that.
If they are goign to start a 5, then i'd rather it be Missi than Theis. Just throw him out there. If he starts to struggle, then move him to a bench role.
Eventually, I hope. But Missi isn't anywhere near ready to start yet.
Posted on 10/18/24 at 12:30 pm to GOP_Tiger
Neither is Theis. He couldn’t even win a backup role at his last 3 stops.
I’d rather Missi learn on the fly than play Theis.
I’d rather Missi learn on the fly than play Theis.
Posted on 10/18/24 at 12:30 pm to Champs
quote:This is probably the closing lineup the majority of the season. Maybe switch Trey for CJ or Herb depending on who is hot.
PG (1): DM SG (2): CJ SF (3): BI PF (4): Zion C (5): Herb
Posted on 10/18/24 at 1:01 pm to Ryan3232
Preference would be: DJ, Herb, BI, Zion, and Messi.
We'll probably see: DJ, CJ, Herb, BI, and Zion
Hope Pels start the season with intention. Just think it is better to start with CJ penciled in as sixth man. Just rather him be a number #1-2 option coming off the bench than #3-4 option starting the game, and worse yet, trying to be a #1-2 option with Zion and BI on the floor. We saw all last year how that combination didn't work.
Would rip the bandaid off and also start Messi. Theis is what he is at this point, a solid backup 5 who sets decent picks, understands defensive positioning, but unfortunately doesn't run the floor or protect the rim. Best fit for this team is a 5 that is solid defensively, provides rim protection, and can run with Pels smallish thoroughbreds. Theis sits behind Herb, Zion, BI, and TM3 as the small ball 5. Messi has shown that he can rim protect a bit but runs the floor well already. He may foul out the game in the first quarter but his profile is what you are trying to develop.
We'll probably see: DJ, CJ, Herb, BI, and Zion
Hope Pels start the season with intention. Just think it is better to start with CJ penciled in as sixth man. Just rather him be a number #1-2 option coming off the bench than #3-4 option starting the game, and worse yet, trying to be a #1-2 option with Zion and BI on the floor. We saw all last year how that combination didn't work.
Would rip the bandaid off and also start Messi. Theis is what he is at this point, a solid backup 5 who sets decent picks, understands defensive positioning, but unfortunately doesn't run the floor or protect the rim. Best fit for this team is a 5 that is solid defensively, provides rim protection, and can run with Pels smallish thoroughbreds. Theis sits behind Herb, Zion, BI, and TM3 as the small ball 5. Messi has shown that he can rim protect a bit but runs the floor well already. He may foul out the game in the first quarter but his profile is what you are trying to develop.
This post was edited on 10/18/24 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 10/18/24 at 1:47 pm to Ryan3232
PG: Murray
SG: CJ
SF: BI
PF: Zion
C: Herb
SG: CJ
SF: BI
PF: Zion
C: Herb
Posted on 10/18/24 at 2:06 pm to Ryan3232
Just tried to look it up, is it true that the Pels haven't seen Zach Lavine since 2022?
I recall he used to torch the Pels.
I recall he used to torch the Pels.
Posted on 10/18/24 at 2:07 pm to LSUPilot07
Yep. Herb/Bi/Zion can guard Chicago's bigs.
Posted on 10/18/24 at 2:16 pm to Ryan3232
If Willie starts CJ over Herb he has no balls.
Posted on 10/18/24 at 2:37 pm to GOP_Tiger
quote:
Yep. Herb/Bi/Zion can guard Chicago's bigs.
Vucevic?
I don't think so.
That's a big I don't want them having to deal with. He's one of the stronger guys in the league at 260, and he's not afraid to be a bully. He's a guy who's goign to get after it on the boards in a rough manner. That's the kind of 5's i don't want Zion having to use his body on, even though he can. It needs to be very limited, like 5-6 minutes a game at most, in short spurts.
That's the type of 5 you let Theis or Missi deal with for the first 5-6 minutes of the game, and then maybe let Zion deal with him for 2 minutes at most after he's gotten a little tired, maybe.
Vucevic would destroy Herb and BI down low. He's way too big for them.
This post was edited on 10/18/24 at 2:38 pm
Posted on 10/18/24 at 2:48 pm to TeddyPadillac
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That's the kind of 5's i don't want Zion having to use his body on, even though he can.
I disagree. We need a game plan to make those centers unplayable/ ineffective. You do that by making them gaurd/ foul Z and chase smaller guys around.
We aren't trying to "match up" to them we legit trying to force mismatches.
And we never wanted to "replace Val". He's not the center or style we need.
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