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Does society get back to non-fearful hands off parenting of kids?

Posted on 10/18/24 at 7:44 am
Posted by Tiger1242
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 10/18/24 at 7:44 am
I’ve been reading books and doing research for my job and also for my ability as a parent, I also have my own experiences as a father of two and as someone who works with children and families on a daily basis.

I have become convinced that our society has an over parenting, over protection, and lack of trust problem. Most of you probably grew up with quite a bit more freedom than kids and grandkids enjoy, Especially if you are over 40 (I’m not). Over the past 50 years, and especially rapid in the past 30, parents have become fearful that their children will get hurt or abused if left alone. This has led an increase of “activities” kids have, but a huge decrease and unsupervised free time to play and learn, everything kids do today supervised. Although the reasons for this are good, we want our kids to be set up for success, the result is children who grow up unable to problem solve and fearful of everyone around them that they don’t know.


The issue I am having as a parent who is determined to give my kids more freedom to learn and grow naturally by having freedom and making mistakes, is that they don’t have anybody to do that with. My kids are still too young to wander the neighborhood alone, even by pre-1990’s standards (my oldest is 5). We wander the neighborhood together all the time, and 90% of the time they are the only kids out there. The other day my son was riding his bike, he stopped at a stop sign to let cars go by, and an old lady drove by me and let me know I need to watch over my kid better so he doesn’t get hurt, I was maybe 200ft from him walking with my 2yr old, he was in my sight, and did everything correctly to let the cars pass. That right there is the whole problem, even if I want my kids to be independent and play on their own, there is no one for them to do it with, most kids aren’t allowed any freedom at all, and most adults now a days can’t be bothered or are too worried about repercussions to keep an eye out for other people’s kids. And based on my research, this is true, no matter where you live in America, even in small towns, it is likely that while kids get to play more freely, they still have severe limitations on who they are playing with, and where they can go, they are generally always supervised.

So how do we go back? There is not a group of kids roaming the neighborhood for my kids to play with even if they wanted to, we play with our neighbors a lot but it’s always under parent supervision. We have a group of like-minded parents from our sons, private school, but there is still a general sense of constant supervision most of the time. As a parent who wants freedom for their children, where can you go to find it today?

TLDR: There are almost no opportunities for kids to play unsupervised today, even for parents who want that for their kids, and constant supervision is not the way to turn kids into healthy well adjusted people.
This post was edited on 10/18/24 at 7:45 am
Posted by Park duck
Sip
Member since Oct 2018
584 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 7:50 am to
It can easily go back. Its the parents, they suck
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
10391 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 7:51 am to
Short answer, no. The John Delony show of 4 Oct talks about this to an extent.

This all comes from mom anxiety. They need to be perceived by their covens that they’re doing “enough.” To do otherwise lights their social anxiety in a high order detonation.

I refused to be the marching band for either of my kids. There’s a whole playroom of shite over there, I’ll come get you for lunch. There are always kids around that will go fishing, build a fort, etc, independently, if you know how to find them. They don’t ten to have parents all up in NextDoor, FB, etc.
Posted by hottub
Member since Dec 2012
3610 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 7:55 am to
From my experience, if dads were in charge all the time, yes.

The moms are the over protective ones.

They see some shite in social media about a kid getting abducted 700 miles away and believe it is 100% going to happen to their kid.

I forget the exact number but basically a child can be let unsupervised for thousands of years before being kidnapped according to the statistics.
Posted by BoogaBear
Member since Jul 2013
6516 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 7:56 am to
The social aspect of it is pretty big in my opinion. While ours are still young we let them have some freedom. The looks we get when we are at a restaurant or a ball park and my 10 year old goes to the bathroom by herself is pretty comical. Moms will literally get up and go with her like we are shitty parents sending her, or send an older girl with her. It doesn't bother me nearly as much as my wife.
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
34146 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 7:57 am to
No, we're seeing the effects of the helicopter parenting "everyone gets a trophy" approach right now... I don't see it going away.
Posted by HoustonChick86
Catalina Wine Mixer
Member since Dec 2009
58885 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 7:58 am to
Mine will be when the cars in the neighborhood pay attention and my child stops walking out in front of moving vehicles. Neither has yet to happen.

I do let him walk to the neighbors house a few doors down, but he doesn't have free range over the neighborhood. He's only 6 though.

I think a lot depends on the child and their maturity level.
This post was edited on 10/18/24 at 8:00 am
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
56964 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 8:00 am to
Hands off parenting? That’s why the kids are so messed up in the first place

Us boomers raised our kids hands on, or should I say “belt on” and all our kids grew up normal. I guess you millenial parents don’t know about belts with all the sagging pants I see these days
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
282865 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 8:03 am to
quote:

There are almost no opportunities for kids to play unsupervised today,


Plenty. Most parents are too inept for that though
Posted by Klark Kent
Houston via BR
Member since Jan 2008
69889 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 8:03 am to
no.

America now has a low trust society because we’ve placated and made excuses for the worst in society for too long.
Posted by KamaCausey_LSU
Member since Apr 2013
16074 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 8:07 am to
This is one of the reasons why I love the neighborhood I live in. There are a lot of kids in the area, and we see a few "free-range" kids when we go on evening walks. I think one factor is that everybody has a yard, so the kids in the neighborhood aren't playing in the middle of the street (most of the time).

Another factor leading to over-supervision, especially outdoors, is that children simply don't go outside as much because the bulk of their entertainment happens inside with TV and computers. Some of these "starter" home neighborhoods have no yards and constant traffic, so that drives the kids inside of homes even more.

You can't control other parents, and even in the most open parent groups, there will still be that one overanxious person who has to know where their kid is at all times.

eta: My son is almost 1 and maybe I'll change my tune in a few years, but hopefully not. "Let kids be kids" is easier said than done. At the moment it's easy and all I have to do it let him (safely) pick up bumps and bruises. Mostly from doing things like losing his balance and crashing into furniture or his walker. The kid will figure out how gravity works eventually.
This post was edited on 10/18/24 at 8:45 am
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
10391 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 8:10 am to
And the funny part of this is that the women let 9 year olds ride in the front seat, let 12 year olds take those goddamned scooters everywhere, not paying attention to where they’re going, etc. why? Social stigma on both the parent and the kid.

I don’t care what your friends do, get in the back. I’d rather your face smash into the back of a Corinthian leather seat than the dashboard.
Posted by Dragula
Laguna Seca
Member since Jun 2020
6031 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 8:13 am to
quote:

The issue I am having as a parent who is determined to give my kids more freedom to learn and grow naturally by having freedom and making mistakes, is that they don’t have anybody to do that with


Many of us have said this prior to having kids, but fact remains the world we grew up in no longer exists. Our parents were hands off and kids today DO need freedom...to an extent. There are a lot of things especially with access to social media that you cannot be "hands off and let me kids just figure out and learn the hard way."
Posted by Quatre Pot
Member since Jan 2015
1694 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 8:13 am to
I live in the country and own a camp.
My kids roam freely with their friends in both.
The advice here is to keep taking them outside and extend their freedom on your own. Others will follow
Posted by RidiculousHype
St. George, LA
Member since Sep 2007
10530 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 8:16 am to
We are inundated with information now, and our brains are wired for safety and protection. So when we see a headline about something happening to a kid, we can't help but think it's going to happen to our kid next. I admit, I'm guilty of it at times. It's a struggle to find that right balance.
Posted by Tantal
Member since Sep 2012
17748 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 8:20 am to
My parents both worked, so I grew up semi-feral. It was awesome. My wife OTOH had a stay-at-home mom, so she can be a bit of a helicopter parent. I have to get onto her about it sometimes. Her 14 year old, while a good kid, can barely wipe his own arse because she wants to do everything for him. My 15 year old has been pretty much self-sufficient since he was about 6 because I often told him he was on his own and to figure it out.
Posted by 6R12
Louisiana
Member since Feb 2005
10613 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 8:21 am to
I don't think they can ever un-do what they've done in parenting style. If I had young kids today I wonder what my parenting style would be. Oh the joy of the ole fashioned days these youngins can't imagine.
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
10391 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 8:31 am to
Saw this yesterday. Sniveling 7 year old in the waiting room of a barber shop. He said he wanted a sprite, in the usual sing songy whiny voice. Mom told him to go ask himself, he whined and repeated his demand twice. She then said ok, give me a minute. She wasn’t moving fast enough, so he kept whining. She got up and got his sprite.
Posted by Tiger1242
Member since Jul 2011
32693 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 8:37 am to
quote:

There are a lot of things especially with access to social media that you cannot be "hands off and let me kids just figure out and learn the hard way."

100% and that’s the other side of it.

One of the main points in the book “The Anxious Generation” by Jonathan Haidt is that kids since about 1996 have been way over supervised in the real world and way under supervised in the online world.

As far as finding groups, I’m trying but that’s the other problem. As parents we have to go find friend groups for our kids now? My best friend growing up was my neighbor because our dads used to lock us out of the house during the summertime (circa 1999).

I know the days of that are done, but I want a version of that for my kids. I think another thing that has happened is play moved from the front yard to the back yard. There are still plenty of kids playing in my neighborhood, but they’re in the backyard, you can’t just walk into someone’s backyard like you could if you saw someone playing in the front.
Posted by Tiger1242
Member since Jul 2011
32693 posts
Posted on 10/18/24 at 8:42 am to
The other part of this too is society no longer being willing or able to help other people. You don’t have the friendly neighbor keeping an eye on the kids anymore. Kids are taught that everyone they don’t know is dangerous, and adults are taught not to intervene to help or discipline other peoples kids because they don’t want to be mistaken as dangerous or unsafe.

A good example is the woman who came and told me to watch where my kid rides his bike. She should be telling him to watch where he rides his bike! But too be fair, I fail at that as a parent, if she did that I’d probably be all fired up about some random lady taking or disciplining my kid, I need to let that go.
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