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Missile defense systems
Posted on 10/1/24 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 10/1/24 at 3:38 pm
Probably a dumb question, but does the US have a missile defense system comparable to Israel’s set up to intercept anything lobbed our way? If the Russians or the ChiComs launched 500 nukes at the continental US, how many would we intercept?
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Posted on 10/1/24 at 3:40 pm to SloaneRanger
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Posted on 10/1/24 at 3:40 pm to SloaneRanger
Yes, they are building out a similar iron dome based on the technology developed with Israel.
This post was edited on 10/1/24 at 3:41 pm
Posted on 10/1/24 at 3:40 pm to SloaneRanger
We have deployable tolerance rainbows and good vibes
Posted on 10/1/24 at 3:42 pm to SloaneRanger
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If the Russians or the ChiComs launched 500 nukes at the continental US, how many would we intercept?
500 nukes would end the world for everyone, I would imagine.
Posted on 10/1/24 at 3:44 pm to Pettifogger
the missiles lobbed our way will be much more potent then anything launched from Iran or North Korea
I would be more concerned with terrorism within our own borders especially with drone technology these days and our open border policy
I would be more concerned with terrorism within our own borders especially with drone technology these days and our open border policy
Posted on 10/1/24 at 3:47 pm to SloaneRanger
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does the US have a missile defense system comparable to Israel’s set up to intercept anything lobbed our way?
Posted on 10/1/24 at 3:49 pm to nicholastiger
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I would be more concerned with terrorism within our own borders especially with drone technology these days and our open border policy
Considering a terrorist attack by two assholes, one with a rifle and the other with a knife, killed more Jews today than Iran's missile barrage I'd tend to agree with you.
Posted on 10/1/24 at 3:50 pm to SloaneRanger
It would cost 210+ billion to cover all of the US. Saving Ukraine is more important right now.
Posted on 10/1/24 at 3:53 pm to SloaneRanger
Israel is small in land area terms, which makes it easily defended. We likely have similar or greater capability, but it's also probably concentrated, at least for the terminal phase defenses.
If what we have can knock down incoming during boost or during sub-orbital flight (which we have demonstrated) then we could defend much more of the country. The problem is that a lot of that capability lies in USN fleet assets (which was just demonstrated in the Eastern Med), and if it is not at home and mission-ready (which most ships in home port are not) then the ability to defend the US is limited.
Bottom line - with present day capabilities, if someone launched an attack with targets spread across CONUS, our intercept % will be a lot less than 100%, and likely less than the Israeli scores.
If what we have can knock down incoming during boost or during sub-orbital flight (which we have demonstrated) then we could defend much more of the country. The problem is that a lot of that capability lies in USN fleet assets (which was just demonstrated in the Eastern Med), and if it is not at home and mission-ready (which most ships in home port are not) then the ability to defend the US is limited.
Bottom line - with present day capabilities, if someone launched an attack with targets spread across CONUS, our intercept % will be a lot less than 100%, and likely less than the Israeli scores.
Posted on 10/1/24 at 3:54 pm to SloaneRanger
I imagine there is some form of intercontinental missles detection and intercept system.
Iron Dome is about ground to ground missles fired from neighboring countries/gaza
sort of a different battle. unless Canada or Mexico desided to launch a barrage of at us
our biggest focuses would be our navy interceptions any ship capable of getting close enough to launch missiles at the continental US.
Iron Dome is about ground to ground missles fired from neighboring countries/gaza
sort of a different battle. unless Canada or Mexico desided to launch a barrage of at us
our biggest focuses would be our navy interceptions any ship capable of getting close enough to launch missiles at the continental US.
Posted on 10/1/24 at 3:57 pm to TigerHornII
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Bottom line - with present day capabilities, if someone launched an attack with targets spread across CONUS, our intercept % will be a lot less than 100%, and likely less than the Israeli scores.
I also wonder what other missile defense systems we have in other countries around the world?
Posted on 10/1/24 at 4:01 pm to SloaneRanger
Thank whatever gods you claim that we conquered a good part of North America and that the powers below and above us are laughable.
Oceans and more between our worst enemies give us valuable time to respond to intercontinental ballistic threats.
I'd worry about space based threats, especially kinetic ones.
Rod from God types.
Crippling our communications may be a larger issue.
That, or implanting millions of immigrants into our country to
Overwhelm the systems and be there as an implanted invasion force
Oceans and more between our worst enemies give us valuable time to respond to intercontinental ballistic threats.
I'd worry about space based threats, especially kinetic ones.
Rod from God types.
Crippling our communications may be a larger issue.
That, or implanting millions of immigrants into our country to
Overwhelm the systems and be there as an implanted invasion force
Posted on 10/1/24 at 4:04 pm to SloaneRanger
I asked ChatGPT:
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Some key U.S. missile defense systems include:
Patriot Missile Defense System: Used to intercept tactical ballistic missiles, cruise missiles, and aircraft. It has been deployed in U.S. military bases and conflict zones but is not city-specific.
Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD): A system designed to intercept and destroy short- to intermediate-range ballistic missiles during their terminal phase. THAAD is part of the U.S. missile defense network but is not stationed in cities specifically.
Ground-based Midcourse Defense (GMD): This system is designed to intercept intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs). The GMD interceptors are based in locations like Alaska and California but are part of a national defense strategy rather than localized urban protection.
Posted on 10/1/24 at 4:05 pm to SloaneRanger
The US has 5x the amount of military capability than we actually advertise. I’m sure our technology is better than Israel’s at this point, even if Israel’s is world class
Posted on 10/1/24 at 4:07 pm to Upperdecker
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The US has 5x the amount of military capability than we actually advertise. I’m sure our technology is better than Israel’s at this point, even if Israel’s is world class
Yeah, that's what I seem to notice about U.S. military capability...whatever they are letting the public know about it's usually ten year old technology.
Posted on 10/1/24 at 4:09 pm to GumboPot
Posted on 10/1/24 at 4:10 pm to SloaneRanger
The answer is complicated.
We have a dedicated anti-icbm system, but because of treaties we were limited on how many we could have in service. And frankly they’re a bit expensive to just have hundreds rdy and on stand by.
Then there is thaad for medium range land based interceptor, plus the Aegis system the navy has is good enough to knock out satelites.
Then more localized protection systems like patriot and NASMS. We dont have enough of these to cover all the US. They are setup around critical areas… military bases, gov centers, control and command, etc.
Then there is question of how many incoming icbms are merv capable, that could spiral the numbers by a significant factor. 500 becomes 3000 if not intercepted before merv detachments.
Then you have to talk about which direction they’re coming from. Most of our detection systems were established to look for incoming over the north pole. We have nothing looking south. Russia realized this and developed the sarmat, which is merv capable and can strike the continental us from the south pole. However; since entering service the sarmats have failed launch tests 4/5 times with only one successfully launching.
The short answer to your question is no we dont. But how bad it would be depends on a huge number of factors.
We have a dedicated anti-icbm system, but because of treaties we were limited on how many we could have in service. And frankly they’re a bit expensive to just have hundreds rdy and on stand by.
Then there is thaad for medium range land based interceptor, plus the Aegis system the navy has is good enough to knock out satelites.
Then more localized protection systems like patriot and NASMS. We dont have enough of these to cover all the US. They are setup around critical areas… military bases, gov centers, control and command, etc.
Then there is question of how many incoming icbms are merv capable, that could spiral the numbers by a significant factor. 500 becomes 3000 if not intercepted before merv detachments.
Then you have to talk about which direction they’re coming from. Most of our detection systems were established to look for incoming over the north pole. We have nothing looking south. Russia realized this and developed the sarmat, which is merv capable and can strike the continental us from the south pole. However; since entering service the sarmats have failed launch tests 4/5 times with only one successfully launching.
The short answer to your question is no we dont. But how bad it would be depends on a huge number of factors.
Posted on 10/1/24 at 4:17 pm to SloaneRanger
quote:Since Israel's """Iron Dome""" is basically a US Patriot missile defense system, it's a fair guess we have something similar
Probably a dumb question, but does the US have a missile defense system comparable to Israel’s set up to intercept anything lobbed our way?
Posted on 10/1/24 at 4:27 pm to SloaneRanger
We have an entire government agency dedicated to missile defense.
It's called the Missile Defense Agency.
It's called the Missile Defense Agency.
This post was edited on 10/1/24 at 4:28 pm
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