Debate: "Small Gov Conservatives are not really small Gov"

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How the hell did you connect those two?

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By the term "Small Gov".

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So if someone believes in immigration control, they can't also think a government cap on credit card rates is a terrible ideal

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So you are saying that you are pro Small gov on issues important to you and NO Gov on issues you deem worthy.

That's my point.

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Honestly, it seems like you could not take any criticism of Trump and your brain strained to find a counter argument no matter how absurd.

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Honestly, no. Either we are small gov conservative or we are big gov liberals or we are no gov libertarians.

I am a small gov, constitutional republic guy.

Do you get to pick and choose what areas Gov should be involved?

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There is a place and a role for government. Small government really means government staying in its proper place and not extending outward into other areas of life.

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We agree. Your example of national security is a good one. We need national security, but there should be limits to the gov pushing into the lives of Americans using national security as a reason... the conservative patriot act for example.

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Arbitrarily capping interest rates is not.

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Based on what?

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Honestly, no. Either we are small gov conservative or we are big gov liberals or we are no gov libertarians.

I am a small gov, constitutional republic guy.

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So you think Trump's 10% rate policy is leftism?

“Small government” is often synonymous with “limited government” when discussing issues at the federal level. Limited government usually means advocating for restraining the federal government from making decisions on issues or exercising powers not explicitly granted to the federal government in the Constitution.

With that analysis in mind, someone who subscribes to limited government would not necessarily have an issue with federal restrictions on immigration as the power to set rules regarding naturalization and immigration is an explicitly granted power to Congress under Article 1, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution. Meanwhile, setting interest rates which lenders are permitted to charge is much more tenuously justified by the enumerated powers of Congress.

With that said, one can be in favor of small government at the federal level while also supporting significantly larger government policies at the state or local levels. In that respect, I find republicans to often be hypocritical with respect to issues of individual and economic liberty.

What's the limit on this "if you accept some government you must accept all government" angle?

Obviously you believe there is one, but you appear to be arguing that some level of deference be extended to this Trump policy

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How the hell did you connect those two? So if someone believes in immigration control, they can't also think a government cap on credit card rates is a terrible ideal (putting aside that it's basically a political stunt; I get that).

Honestly, it seems like you could not take any criticism of Trump and your brain strained to find a counter argument no matter how absurd.

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On this board its the anti trump crowd that uses the small government sarcastic quip.

Is having government control over and extending border protection small government? Prob not, which is why libertarians are for open borders.

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What were the limits to immigration when our Founders signed the Constitution?

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Strawman.

The Founding fathers sign a Constitution for a Constitutional Republic.

It is an enumerated responsibility of the government to protect the country and, by extension, regulate the borders.

That has no analog to restricting credit card interest.

It’s a dumbass proposal and should be roundly laughed at.

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Capitalism, aka freedom.

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Can you show me "capitalism" in the Constitution? I ask, because I don;t see that term as defined by avowed Libertarians (you) as no Gov.

What I do see is this:

Clause 1 General Welfare
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

Clause 2 Borrowing
To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;

Clause 3 Commerce
To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;


Are you suggesting that the founding fathers did not set up a Constitutional republic?