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Trade value for CJ - relative to salary constraints
Posted on 7/10/24 at 5:13 am
Posted on 7/10/24 at 5:13 am
I just finish reading the excellent posts and comments on the 24-25 salary.
Given our restraints, if we consider moving CJ, any guesstimate of what we might receive in return - and from whom ?
Appreciate all your opinions, folks!
Given our restraints, if we consider moving CJ, any guesstimate of what we might receive in return - and from whom ?
Appreciate all your opinions, folks!
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Posted on 7/10/24 at 6:11 am to Purpose16
Um. You don't move CJ. You move BI
Posted on 7/10/24 at 6:36 am to Purpose16
You are way too nice for this board lol.
I kid of course. It’s going to be extremely difficult to trade Cj now that most teams have set their rosters. Much more likely next offseason when he becomes an expiring. Plus he statistically out performed all of his career averages last season and is a very productive player. No one in the league that made more threes than him shot a higher percent. The return will never match the on court value IMO for a team trying to win games.
I kid of course. It’s going to be extremely difficult to trade Cj now that most teams have set their rosters. Much more likely next offseason when he becomes an expiring. Plus he statistically out performed all of his career averages last season and is a very productive player. No one in the league that made more threes than him shot a higher percent. The return will never match the on court value IMO for a team trying to win games.
Posted on 7/10/24 at 8:00 am to matty3387
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if we consider moving CJ, any guesstimate of what we might receive in return - and from who?
Um. You don't move CJ. You move BI
Bruh, he said if. Don't treat our friend like this.
Depends on how CJ plays next year. Right now he's worth a decent amount with a 1st attached. Just CJ is prob a Collins/ Sexton or salary swap situation.
May get a younger player with upside + older salary filler
Posted on 7/10/24 at 8:01 am to PELsu
CJ is a good player but overpaid. Especially with the 2nd apron stuff i dont see a lot of teams itching to pay assets for him just to pay him his contract.
Maybe a team like detroit wants more shooting and vet leadership. They could do something like Stewart for CJ. They already have a lot of bigs and just signed paul reed, but they are desperate for shooting.
If he has another good year like last year maybe he has a little more value around the deadline since he'll be almost an expiring contract
Maybe a team like detroit wants more shooting and vet leadership. They could do something like Stewart for CJ. They already have a lot of bigs and just signed paul reed, but they are desperate for shooting.
If he has another good year like last year maybe he has a little more value around the deadline since he'll be almost an expiring contract
Posted on 7/10/24 at 8:32 am to Purpose16
I think you don't get good value for him this summer.
However, next summer, when he becomes an expiring, its possible his salary becomes useful as part of a package with *many* picks for a star type player on a longer contract
However, next summer, when he becomes an expiring, its possible his salary becomes useful as part of a package with *many* picks for a star type player on a longer contract
Posted on 7/10/24 at 9:51 am to Fun Bunch
Or, sadly, maybe we just dump him next summer, because our payroll is too high.
This post was edited on 7/10/24 at 9:51 am
Posted on 7/10/24 at 9:55 am to Balsamic_duck
quote:Sad thing is that the new rules came out before Griffin gave him the ridiculous extension.
CJ is a good player but overpaid. Especially with the 2nd apron stuff i dont see a lot of teams itching to pay assets for him just to pay him his contract.
Posted on 7/10/24 at 9:56 am to Fun Bunch
Clark on his blog reported Pels attempted to trade CJ in the Murray package. CJ should have been dumped to Orlando before free agency for a bag of Elmer's. A team that shuns the tax doesn't want a $33M player as a sixth man.
The fact that the Pels traded for Murray speaks a ton. Griff stated the team did not need a point; B did. It should have been obvious when the great offensive guru made B the decision maker not CJ.
CJ actually had a good offensive season playing off the ball. However, he was targeted on the defensive end. He needa to play with a dominant defensive center. His trade market is limited. His contract is a negative. So, you would have take back another bad contract at a position of need or trade him with with draft choices.
The fact that the Pels traded for Murray speaks a ton. Griff stated the team did not need a point; B did. It should have been obvious when the great offensive guru made B the decision maker not CJ.
CJ actually had a good offensive season playing off the ball. However, he was targeted on the defensive end. He needa to play with a dominant defensive center. His trade market is limited. His contract is a negative. So, you would have take back another bad contract at a position of need or trade him with with draft choices.
Posted on 7/10/24 at 10:36 am to matty3387
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Um. You don't move CJ. You move BI
You have to move on or the other.
Maybe they pivot and move cj. It's not crazy to think it might happen
Both of them might get moved by next season.
Cj at 32 mil is high.
Posted on 7/10/24 at 10:51 am to matty3387
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You don't move CJ.
Why not? Unless the Pelicans win a championship this year, CJ isn’t going to contribute to a championship in New Orleans.
CJ can and will be a nice piece offensively for us next year, but he was terrible defensively and will start the season at 33 next year. 34 year old CJ will be a veteran shooter who plays no defense on an expiring contract.
That player is almost certainly getting traded by the pelicans.
Posted on 7/10/24 at 11:05 am to ned nederlander
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Why not? Unless the Pelicans win a championship this year, CJ isn’t going to contribute to a championship in New Orleans.
CJ can and will be a nice piece offensively for us next year, but he was terrible defensively and will start the season at 33 next year. 34 year old CJ will be a veteran shooter who plays no defense on an expiring contract.
That player is almost certainly getting traded by the pelicans.
Yep, look at all the other score first guards that can't defend or playmake who got big contracts.
CJ, Herro, Poole. None of those guys have positive value right now. The league doesn't value those guys anymore.
Look at a guy like Malik Beasley. He put up 11/4/1.5 last year on 44/41/71 splits. CJ was without a doubt better than him last year but Beasley was able to produce what? 50% of CJ's production. All while making 2M last year compared to CJ's 36M. It's just easy to replace what CJ does for cheap.
Posted on 7/10/24 at 11:30 am to Balsamic_duck
CJ is a dying breed in the NBA. Until defenses figure out how to hide someone more with the incessant switches and targeting of the one bad defender, these guys are massively overpaid. Why Griff extended him when he did is beyond me….
It is funny…. College football finds the weak link and just crushes that defender over and over. That doesn’t really work in the NFL, b/c the weak links aren’t as obvious. The NBA has become similar.
It is funny…. College football finds the weak link and just crushes that defender over and over. That doesn’t really work in the NFL, b/c the weak links aren’t as obvious. The NBA has become similar.
Posted on 7/10/24 at 11:35 am to ned nederlander
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CJ can and will be a nice piece offensively for us next year, but he was terrible defensively and will start the season at 33 next year. 34 year old CJ will be a veteran shooter who plays no defense on an expiring contract.
I get why people want to move CJ but heres what I don’t get. The same people want to give BI an extension or bring him back despite his horrendous showing to end the season and his inability to shoot 3s and change his game. CJ meanwhile changed his game completely and had a very good year. What are we doing when we’re giving an extension to a guy who doesn’t want to change his game and trading the guy who changes his whole game successfully to fit in. If Griff is all about the “human” element that makes no sense.
Posted on 7/10/24 at 11:42 am to Pels_Yaz
We don’t really have a choice but hope he changes his game and takes a smaller, more reasonable salary.
Posted on 7/10/24 at 11:47 am to Pels_Yaz
BI is a 6’8 wing going into the prime of his career. He is no more comparable to CJ than CJ is to Beasley. These are completely different players, situations and values.
Now to your larger point, I do and have taken major issue with what I believe to be BI’s down right refusal to shoot threes. That is very problematic to me and detrimental to the team in my opinion.
Now to your larger point, I do and have taken major issue with what I believe to be BI’s down right refusal to shoot threes. That is very problematic to me and detrimental to the team in my opinion.
Posted on 7/10/24 at 11:50 am to PELsu
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Now to your larger point, I do and have taken major issue with what I believe to be BI’s down right refusal to shoot threes. That is very problematic to me and detrimental to the team in my opinion.
And to me thats a huge point. You need your star to buy into what your building otherwise it will affect your team. Giving him an extension when he hasn’t bought in is very concerning.
Posted on 7/10/24 at 11:53 am to PELsu
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BI is a 6’8 wing going into the prime of his career
No, he's not. He is regressing. He won't finish the new deal. There is little chance he plays 4 more seasons and will be a journeyman his last couple seasons..
Posted on 7/10/24 at 11:55 am to brmark70816
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No, he's not. He is regressing. He won't finish the new deal. There is little chance he plays 4 more seasons and will be a journeyman his last couple seasons..
Ok stop. This is ridiculous. No one is saying that. He will not turn into a journeyman. The extreme takes need to stop.
Posted on 7/10/24 at 11:55 am to brmark70816
That’s absurd
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