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Welfare Facts - Putting things in perspective - Sorry if it pisses you off...
Posted on 6/18/24 at 11:19 am
Posted on 6/18/24 at 11:19 am
TLDR: We could balance our budget if we transition half of our welfare recipients to working a job. Even if we cut our welfare recipients in half, we would still have 5 times as many people on welfare as Canada does, per capita.
The federal government spent $1.15T on welfare last year - or 1/3 more than our entire military budget
Total revenue in 2023 was $4.4 - $2.18T of which was from income taxes
There are 127M households in the US
Their are 65M people on Welfare - About 21.6 million households
Approximately one in 5 people are on some form of welfare
The average person on welfare gets $17,700/yr
The average household pays $9,000/yr towards welfare benefits
The average household pays about $17,200/yr in income taxes
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What does this tell us?
1. Welfare takes up over 1/4 of our total revenue ($1.15T of $4.4T).
2. It takes a little more than 1 tax payer to pay for each person on welfare
3. Over half of our income taxes goes to cover welfare payment
Using these numbers, if 1/2 of the people on welfare were to transition from welfare to working in a job where they pay about $10,000 in taxes (about 60% of the average), we would gain:
1. $575B in savings from welfare
2. #3.25B in additional tax revenue
So we would gain about $900B in additional revenue - Just from income taxes. That does not include revenue from corporate taxes and other revenue sources that would go up, presumably, if more people were working. Potentially, we could balance the budget if we did nothing but transition half of the welfare recipients back to work. That will never happen, but it probably should.
Obviously, this is simplifying it a bit, as many welfare recipients do pay some in payroll taxes, even if they don't pay income tax. There are also state benefits that are not part of the federal welfare budget, so that could balance out.
Sorry if this boring, and feel free to fact check my numbers...
The bottom line is that whoever tells you that welfare takes up an insignificant part of the federal budget is LYING.
Interesting fact: Twenty percent of Americans are on some form of public assistance. Two percent of Canadians are on public assistance. It is not insane to say that we could drop our numbers to 10% - our rate would still be 5x that of Canada.
The federal government spent $1.15T on welfare last year - or 1/3 more than our entire military budget
Total revenue in 2023 was $4.4 - $2.18T of which was from income taxes
There are 127M households in the US
Their are 65M people on Welfare - About 21.6 million households
Approximately one in 5 people are on some form of welfare
The average person on welfare gets $17,700/yr
The average household pays $9,000/yr towards welfare benefits
The average household pays about $17,200/yr in income taxes
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What does this tell us?
1. Welfare takes up over 1/4 of our total revenue ($1.15T of $4.4T).
2. It takes a little more than 1 tax payer to pay for each person on welfare
3. Over half of our income taxes goes to cover welfare payment
Using these numbers, if 1/2 of the people on welfare were to transition from welfare to working in a job where they pay about $10,000 in taxes (about 60% of the average), we would gain:
1. $575B in savings from welfare
2. #3.25B in additional tax revenue
So we would gain about $900B in additional revenue - Just from income taxes. That does not include revenue from corporate taxes and other revenue sources that would go up, presumably, if more people were working. Potentially, we could balance the budget if we did nothing but transition half of the welfare recipients back to work. That will never happen, but it probably should.
Obviously, this is simplifying it a bit, as many welfare recipients do pay some in payroll taxes, even if they don't pay income tax. There are also state benefits that are not part of the federal welfare budget, so that could balance out.
Sorry if this boring, and feel free to fact check my numbers...
The bottom line is that whoever tells you that welfare takes up an insignificant part of the federal budget is LYING.
Interesting fact: Twenty percent of Americans are on some form of public assistance. Two percent of Canadians are on public assistance. It is not insane to say that we could drop our numbers to 10% - our rate would still be 5x that of Canada.
This post was edited on 6/18/24 at 12:06 pm
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Posted on 6/18/24 at 11:22 am to Jax-Tiger
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Their are 65M people on Welfare - About 21.6 million households
And none of them should be allowed to vote.
Posted on 6/18/24 at 11:24 am to Jax-Tiger
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What does this tell us?
It is past time to cut strap hangers loose and let them perish or survive on their own...
Posted on 6/18/24 at 11:28 am to Jax-Tiger
This was very interesting however on the second half of your presented information,
There is no way in hell you can ever change the culture of people who have been conditioned to not work and get everything handed to them by a government or higher authority group.
Equally, there is no way in hell those elected officials ever reduce those payments to the ones sitting at home being paid to now work as long as they can harvest votes out of them.
All of this is by design.
There is no way in hell you can ever change the culture of people who have been conditioned to not work and get everything handed to them by a government or higher authority group.
Equally, there is no way in hell those elected officials ever reduce those payments to the ones sitting at home being paid to now work as long as they can harvest votes out of them.
All of this is by design.
Posted on 6/18/24 at 11:33 am to Jax-Tiger
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The average person on welfare gets $17,700/yr
Doesn't paint the proper picture of how much it really is. Try this....
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The average poor family with children already receives $65,200 in cash, food, housing, medical care, and educational support from the taxpayer each year
This post was edited on 6/18/24 at 11:34 am
Posted on 6/18/24 at 11:34 am to Snipe
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All of this is by design.
We have one party who wants to increase the numbers on welfare and one that wants to decrease the number.
I'm not disagreeing with that, but we have have heard for years that we cannot balance the budget by cutting welfare. This narrative is pushed on us in order to keep us from demanding that our politicians pursue it. In the meantime, our politicians are upping the ante.
BTW, this does not include payments to illegal aliens...
This post was edited on 6/18/24 at 11:43 am
Posted on 6/18/24 at 11:34 am to Jax-Tiger
Cut out a majority of programs that pop up year to year. You can't start a new program without ending another. Its just printing money which also causes inflation, another invisible tax.
Or how about the government gets relegated to only providing for protection of the citizen and can no longer take from one and give to another?
Also, if you take from the government without being a disabled vet or have a major impairment such as quadraplegia, you cannot vote.
So many things need to be done
Or how about the government gets relegated to only providing for protection of the citizen and can no longer take from one and give to another?
Also, if you take from the government without being a disabled vet or have a major impairment such as quadraplegia, you cannot vote.
So many things need to be done
Posted on 6/18/24 at 11:37 am to TrueTiger
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And none of them should be allowed to vote.
Precisely. Not until they're off the dole.
Posted on 6/18/24 at 11:38 am to TrueTiger
quote:Completely agree.
And none of them should be allowed to vote.
Posted on 6/18/24 at 11:40 am to Jax-Tiger
This is their main objective and goal. Reliance on the government. It's why homeless are always downtown and close to government buildings.
Posted on 6/18/24 at 11:41 am to Jake88
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Doesn't paint the proper picture of how much it really is.
I broke it down by individual. Obviously, that $17,700 figure is an average. Some people get the full package, and others just get a partial package. I read somewhere that the average "full" package amounts to about $28k per person, with some states offering $35k+. Remember, that is per person, so $65k for a family of 4 makes sense.
Either way, a SIGNIFICANT percentage of our annual budget goes to welfare. We should stop listening to people tell us we need to leave the public assistant budget alone because there just isn't enough meat on that bone to make a difference.
Posted on 6/18/24 at 11:43 am to Jax-Tiger
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welfare
Just another form of slavery. The gov't doesn't want these people off of it.
Posted on 6/18/24 at 11:43 am to Jax-Tiger
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The federal government spent $1.15T on welfare last year
How are you defining "welfare"? Also, where is this information coming from?
Posted on 6/18/24 at 11:46 am to Jax-Tiger
quote:It would be the first thing I'd cut.
We should stop listening to people tell us we need to leave the public assistant budget alone because there just isn't enough meat on that bone to make a difference
Posted on 6/18/24 at 11:47 am to Jax-Tiger
And throw corporate welfare in the mix and the average taxpayer is hosed.
Posted on 6/18/24 at 11:49 am to Bard
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How are you defining "welfare"? Also, where is this information coming from?
I"m curious as well.
Posted on 6/18/24 at 11:50 am to Bard
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How are you defining "welfare"? Also, where is this information coming from?
I'm glad you asked the question.
I got some of the numbers from Federalsafetynet.com. Almost all of the numbers I corroborate by finding other sites.
federalsafetynet.com
Posted on 6/18/24 at 11:56 am to Jax-Tiger
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Approximately one in 5 people are on some form of welfare
Impossible cause 4cubbies said nobody would take welfare cause you make more on minimum wage.
Posted on 6/18/24 at 11:58 am to riverparish
Here is a breakdown of what constitutes welfare.
Note that sine 2019, the total amount has gone up close to 50%. Seems that a lot of people got benefits during covid, and have figured out how to keep them.
Note that sine 2019, the total amount has gone up close to 50%. Seems that a lot of people got benefits during covid, and have figured out how to keep them.
This post was edited on 6/18/24 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 6/18/24 at 11:59 am to Jax-Tiger
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we would still have 5 times as many people on welfare as Canada does, per capita.
The difference between us and Canada is that they have very strict immigration laws and will only accept migration from people with education and skills to help their economy and contribute to government coffers. We throw the doors wide open to uneducated, unskilled 3rd World shitbirds who are net drains on the system the minute that they arrive.
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