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re: SCOTUS Hears Case - POTUS Trump's lawyer offers no rebuttal.
Posted on 4/25/24 at 1:25 pm to Lsupimp
Posted on 4/25/24 at 1:25 pm to Lsupimp
The tectonic plate shift here is the DOJ wanting case by case authority to control the president rather than a simple blanket rule. Should the supremes endorse then ,, they will have created a new, more than equal branch of govt, that will last for the next hundred years. The DOJ , a bureaucracy will be the dominant branch. Elections no longer matter
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Posted on 4/25/24 at 1:28 pm to SlowFlowPro
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The question is how that is an executive function and not a personal function.
As a duly elected servant of the people, it is the duty of that servant to protect the office.
When he called did he say, "Hello Ras, this is Donald."
No he did not. Someone called the future perp Ras and said, "The President of the United States wishes to speak with you."
Posted on 4/25/24 at 1:30 pm to LSUBALLER
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If you are a lawyer, Our justice system is worse then I thought. Whatever meets your narrative is what you believe. Guess I am saying you suck as a Lawyer.
Dude's got nearly half a million posts. IF he is a lawyer, he clearly isn't a very busy one. Which means is isn't a very good one. Or else he's shady as shite and billing multiple clients for his postings on TD.
Posted on 4/25/24 at 1:38 pm to Trevaylin
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The tectonic plate shift here is the DOJ wanting case by case authority to control the president rather than a simple blanket rule. Should the supremes endorse then ,, they will have created a new, more than equal branch of govt, that will last for the next hundred years. The DOJ , a bureaucracy will be the dominant branch. Elections no longer matter
The mostest correctest statement on this entire thread.
Posted on 4/25/24 at 1:41 pm to Timeoday
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No he did not. Someone called the future perp Ras and said, "The President of the United States wishes to speak with you."
And then the President wants you to find a specific number of votes that helps him.
Saying "I'm the President" doesn't determine if the act is official or not.
(I am not stating an opinion whether the allegation is true, or whether it falls within what purview)
Posted on 4/25/24 at 1:44 pm to Fun Bunch
Cuz that was the worst part of the election… 
Y’all need help. Blame Trump for speaking but not the evil fricks who stole it.
Y’all need help. Blame Trump for speaking but not the evil fricks who stole it.
Posted on 4/25/24 at 1:45 pm to Hobie101
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Seems like giving a president blanket immunity would be creating a new law,
This is the gaslighting that kept getting repeated.
Impeachment is the gateway to criminal prosecution. So there is no such thing as blanket immunity. It’s just saying Congress has to agree before a DA can go after a POTUS
Posted on 4/25/24 at 1:45 pm to loogaroo
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Everything he does while he is POTUS is an official act.
You mean acting in his role as President? I mean you're wrong either way but if Trump purchases a golf course as the head of the Trump org. while President that is by no way an official act of the President of the U.S.
Posted on 4/25/24 at 1:48 pm to momentoftruth87
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Y’all need help.
What are you even talking about?
I literally said I am not making any judgments on him or the actions, or whether they were within the purview.
It is simply a legal discussion on immunity.
I do not think Trump should be prosecuted for any of this.
Posted on 4/25/24 at 1:48 pm to loogaroo
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Everything he does while he is POTUS is an official act.
Including shooting a guy on Fifth Avenue, right?
Posted on 4/25/24 at 1:50 pm to Trevaylin
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The tectonic plate shift here is the DOJ wanting case by case authority to control the president rather than a simple blanket rule.
The SCOTUS questioning on this point was very telling. It does not appear that the DOJ will be given the power to decide if and when the opposition party candidate is, in their opinion, outside the immunity clause. On this point, many think that SCOTUS will send this back to the lower courts.
Posted on 4/25/24 at 1:53 pm to Lsupimp
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To which the twink, and SFP hero Michael Breeden, attorney for special counsel, responded that their motives as prosecutors here, are pure and above reproach. The government would NEVER use lawfare to consolidate power and destroy those who stand in the way, you see. Not the Democrats. No never.
dont pay any attention to what we do, just listen to what we say
Posted on 4/25/24 at 1:55 pm to MemphisGuy
Robert’s mocked the DC circuit asserting that the act of prosecuting somehow magically validated the prosecution. Which is a disgraceful and reoccurring argument of The Left. Reminded me of their entire justification for the phony Russians hoax. That was a significant insight into Robert’s thought process here.
Everything here seems to point to a ruling in favor of some kind of limited immunity for the President that acknowledges the interwoven nature of official actions and private actions by a President. Otherwise we open the door for never ending LAWFARE and weaponization of the justice department. One side favors precedence and order and the other complete chaos.
Everything here seems to point to a ruling in favor of some kind of limited immunity for the President that acknowledges the interwoven nature of official actions and private actions by a President. Otherwise we open the door for never ending LAWFARE and weaponization of the justice department. One side favors precedence and order and the other complete chaos.
Posted on 4/25/24 at 1:57 pm to CreoleTigerEsq
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Bill Barr investigated those claims of issues of elections integrity at the direction of Trump and found that there were none.
lol He literally did the exact opposite of what you said.
Posted on 4/25/24 at 1:58 pm to ronricks
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There was no reason for Trump to be on that call begging for votes
Doubling down on your ignorance? Par for the course for a simpleton. Trump told him that the info he has showed there were hundreds of thousands of fraudulent or illegal votes and if that was the case the SOS job is to find them.
Only a completely partisan useful idiot (you) would find fault in that statement. Of course you were ignorant to the actual statement and just believed what CNN told you. Again, just the useful idiot they love.
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You Trump sycophants that think he has never done anything wrong or made a bad decision are truly mentally insane. You have actual TDS.
Such a tired trite cliche description of most Trump supporters on this board. I criticize Trump often. I will also correct ignorant morons like you when you prattle on smugly while not knowing the actual facts.
Posted on 4/25/24 at 1:59 pm to Indefatigable
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Weird, I must have missed that legislation.
Article I
Section 3 Senate
Clause 7 Impeachment Judgments
Judgment in Cases of Impeachment shall not extend further than to removal from Office, and disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of honor, Trust or Profit under the United States: but the Party convicted shall nevertheless be liable and subject to Indictment, Trial, Judgment and Punishment, according to Law.
Posted on 4/25/24 at 2:03 pm to ronricks
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You Trump sycophants that think he has never done anything wrong or made a bad decision are truly mentally insane.
Nah... He's done plenty wrong and made plenty of missteps, in my opinion. This, however, wasn't one of them.
If I need... say $75,000 for a project, and I call up our CFO and say "Find me $75,000", does that mean I'm asking him to go rob a bank? No, you dolt. It means pour over the budget and see if you can find $75,000 in there somewhere.
Trump means... to any sane person... recount the votes... see if, in all your millions of votes, 11,000 were counted incorrectly. That's all.
This post was edited on 4/25/24 at 2:25 pm
Posted on 4/25/24 at 2:03 pm to idlewatcher
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lol He literally did the exact opposite of what you said.
Yea, squashed investigations when they were brought to the FBI
Posted on 4/25/24 at 2:05 pm to Trevaylin
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The tectonic plate shift here is the DOJ wanting case by case authority to control the president rather than a simple blanket rule. Should the supremes endorse then ,, they will have created a new, more than equal branch of govt, that will last for the next hundred years. The DOJ , a bureaucracy will be the dominant branch. Elections no longer matter
correct
an executive department with the power to control the executive
some of you need to re-read the transcript of the call, Trump never ordered Raffensperger to do anything. He asked him to investigate potential fraud and explain his findings with facts. Trump had suppositions and assumptions that he asked GA to look in to, and he requested facts to answer his concerns. He was not authoritative, more like weirdly pleading with them.
the irony is during the delay between 2016 elction results and HRC conceeding he nxt day i guarantee you there were far worse inquiries and threats made by her and her team. But those werent recorded or released. we will never know the truth because she lives by a different standard of bureaucratic protections than even the POTUS
Posted on 4/25/24 at 2:08 pm to CreoleTigerEsq
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The only authority vested in Congress related to reigning in the President is impeachment (and in the Senate removal from office).
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ArtII.S4.1 Overview of Impeachment Clause. Article II, Section 4: The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.
Upon:
quote:...by the House
Impeachment
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and
quote:...by the Senate...
Conviction
...the Legislative body then determines
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Crime
Then the criminal prosecution can ensue.
If the Legislative body does not have authority in determining the difference between private and official matters and that authority rest with the DOJ you might as well forget about the presidency. Presidential elections will mean nothing. All presidents will just be puppets of the DOJ for eternity.
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