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re: Climatology: more hot, dryness for Texas
Posted on 4/24/24 at 9:12 am to Indefatigable
Posted on 4/24/24 at 9:12 am to Indefatigable
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The rub comes from whether you believe that humans have a relevant impact on that rise, or whether there is anything we can do about it either way.
So i would think unless it’s untrue we are emitting X amount of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, we probably have some affect on it. An atmosphere with more tends to warm and not cool or stay the same. Can see that on a micro level like an actual greenhouse or various lab tests with a CO2 filled box compared to non. And it’s also true on a macro scale like Venus. It’s further from the sun yet hotter than mercury due to a runaway greenhouse effect. I’m not ignorant enough to ignore that if these two are true, it’s more than likely in play here as well, right? I don’t know how fair of a question “what should the temperature be” or “how much money does it cost to cool the earth” is, I think those are kinda unanswerable and a bit gotcha. I will however agree that the US shouldn’t be doing a damn thing especially threatening economic things until India and China have their shite under control. We would be a drop in their buckets if this is all true.
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Posted on 4/24/24 at 9:13 am to Corinthians420
You are ate up with it baw.
Posted on 4/24/24 at 9:14 am to dgnx6
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So weve cooled by 2 degrees.
You've cooled by 2 degrees
Worldwide average temp is 1.06°F above average today
Currently: 58.26°F/14.59°C
Deviation: 1.06°F/0.59°C
Stations processed last hour: 55059
Posted on 4/24/24 at 9:16 am to Corinthians420
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Still not sure I believe he said there'd be no ice on the north pole by 2015 though
Toward the end is the exact statistic I used in my post.
LINK
Posted on 4/24/24 at 9:17 am to texag7
I mean, I felt like I did get a taste of hell last summer.
Posted on 4/24/24 at 9:18 am to Chucktown_Badger
Yeah, but Gore, being a politician, was interpreting the data he was using incorrectly.
Posted on 4/24/24 at 9:20 am to Chucktown_Badger
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In 2010 Al Gore was trotting out "research" that had some models showing there was a 75% chance
Who's the idiot?
Posted on 4/24/24 at 9:20 am to Corinthians420
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Yeah, but Gore, being a politician, was interpreting the data he was using incorrectly.
And did you notice how no one called him on it back then? The scientists whose work he was quoting, the media, anyone? There ARE people who are pointing out the holes, omissions, illogical conclusions or the work being down now that's fueling these new predictions, but the problem is that unless you are predicting doom and gloom, you cannot get your work published. That is another thing that is no longer a conspiracy.
For example:
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The paper I just published—“Climate warming increases extreme daily wildfire growth risk in California”—focuses exclusively on how climate change has affected extreme wildfire behavior. I knew not to try to quantify key aspects other than climate change in my research because it would dilute the story that prestigious journals like Nature and its rival, Science, want to tell.
This matters because it is critically important for scientists to be published in high-profile journals; in many ways, they are the gatekeepers for career success in academia. And the editors of these journals have made it abundantly clear, both by what they publish and what they reject, that they want climate papers that support certain preapproved narratives—even when those narratives come at the expense of broader knowledge for society.
This post was edited on 4/24/24 at 9:22 am
Posted on 4/24/24 at 9:23 am to Chucktown_Badger
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And did you notice how no one called him on it back then?
The article I linked was calling him out, and it was written in 2009
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And did you notice how no one called him on it back then? The scientists whose work he was quoting, the media, anyone?
Scientists literally called him out on it in 2009
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Perhaps Mr Gore had felt the need to gild the lily to buttress resolve. But his speech was roundly criticised by members of the climate science community. "This is an exaggeration that opens the science up to criticism from sceptics," Professor Jim Overland, a leading oceanographer at the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration said.
"You really don't need to exaggerate the changes in the Arctic."
Others said that, even if quoted correctly, Dr Maslowski's six-year projection for near-ice-free conditions is at the extreme end of the scale. Most climate scientists agree that a 20 to 30-year timescale is more likely for the near-disappearance of sea ice.
"Maslowski's work is very well respected, but he's a bit out on a limb," said Professor Peter Wadhams, a specialist in ocean physics at the University of Cambridge.
This post was edited on 4/24/24 at 9:27 am
Posted on 4/24/24 at 9:26 am to Corinthians420
If both sides agree Al gore is not a scientist and also a complete loon can we stop talking past one another and be more honest in this conversation? Hes wrong about most of it, and there was someone saying it was 2 degrees cooler where he lives than normal so the earth is 2 degrees cooler. Gotta be able to find some common ground at some point
Posted on 4/24/24 at 9:28 am to Corinthians420
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Worldwide average temp is 1.06°F above average today
Currently: 58.26°F/14.59°C
Deviation: 1.06°F/0.59°C
Stations processed last hour: 55059
Average? How exactly did you average it? What time frame was used?
Posted on 4/24/24 at 9:31 am to olddawg26
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So i would think unless it’s untrue we are emitting X amount of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, we probably have some affect on it
What is the historical average of CO2 content on Earth's atmosphere, as measured from the beginning of life on this planet? Where are we now in comparison?
This post was edited on 4/24/24 at 9:32 am
Posted on 4/24/24 at 9:33 am to olddawg26
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If both sides agree Al gore is not a scientist and also a complete loon can we stop talking past one another and be more honest in this conversation? Hes wrong about most of it, and there was someone saying it was 2 degrees cooler where he lives than normal so the earth is 2 degrees cooler. Gotta be able to find some common ground at some point
Man's pride won't allow people to admit they may have been wrong in the past a lot of times.
A good example is that Korean Baseball game the other day where the refs were caught on mic saying to lie and say the robo ump said ball rather than admit they messed up the call. And that was over something as meaningless as a baseball game
A lot of folks feel like if they admit human caused climate change is real in any capacity they are bowing to the climate cult and will have to buy an EV and go vegan.
This post was edited on 4/24/24 at 9:36 am
Posted on 4/24/24 at 9:35 am to BabyTac
About a decade a go La and TX traded droughts. We sent hay their way one summer, they sent it back the next. Weather runs in cycles, and the closer you are to the equator the hotter you are.
Also no one takes into consideration that pole adjust and shift by hundreds of miles over a few years and then they shift back another way. If you move any location 100 miles in any direction and it affects their time and angle in the sun, you are going to have changes in weather.
Also no one takes into consideration that pole adjust and shift by hundreds of miles over a few years and then they shift back another way. If you move any location 100 miles in any direction and it affects their time and angle in the sun, you are going to have changes in weather.
Posted on 4/24/24 at 9:36 am to BabyTac
Texas is hot as hell. The last few summers have been brutal and getting hotter. Gonna be another hot one and the Gov will keep telling us to turn our thermostats up.
Posted on 4/24/24 at 9:36 am to Corinthians420
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I find it hard to believe a scientist would give a hard date prediction on something like that
Ok. Whatever dude.
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The signs in the Montana park were added more than a decade ago to reflect climate change forecasts at the time by the US Geological Survey, park spokeswoman Gina Kurzmen told CNN.
In 2017, the park was told by the agency that the complete melting off of the glaciers was no longer expected to take place so quickly due to changes in the forecast model, Kurzmen said. But tight maintenance budgets made it impossible for the park to immediately change the signs.
This post was edited on 4/24/24 at 9:37 am
Posted on 4/24/24 at 9:37 am to Indefatigable
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The rub comes from whether you believe that humans have a
relevant impact on that rise, or whether there is anything we can do about it either way.
The thing is, THAT doesn't really even matter. If humans are causing it, there is very little that can be done to stop the ones that theoretically contribute the most to warming, like India and China. We'd be better off focusing efforts on a sustainable energy source and adapting to climate change, rather than trying to reverse it.
Posted on 4/24/24 at 9:38 am to UtahCajun
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What is the historical average of CO2 content on Earth's atmosphere, as measured from the beginning of life on this planet? Where are we now in comparison?
I provided a reasonable argument of why more CO2 in an atmosphere makes the temperature trend upwards, citing 2 demonstrable observations on a small and large scale. If your only response is to try to make me dig through what the co2 level was when dinosaurs were here then it’s obvious what you’re trying to do. The average temperature is increasing, unless you’d care to refute that, and we are emitting more CO2 into the atmosphere, unless you’d care to refute that too. No I don’t know what percentage is volcanos, no I don’t know what the global temperature should be. The debate is does the temperature eventually level out with more CO2 being emitted every day, mainly by China and India
Posted on 4/24/24 at 9:39 am to BabyTac
I don’t care how hot this summer is just bring some rain please!
Posted on 4/24/24 at 9:41 am to GeauxTigers123
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I find it hard to believe a scientist would give a hard date prediction on something like that
Ok. Whatever dude.
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The signs in the Montana park were added more than a decade ago to reflect climate change forecasts at the time by the US Geological Survey, park spokeswoman Gina Kurzmen told CNN.
In 2017, the park was told by the agency that the complete melting off of the glaciers was no longer expected to take place so quickly due to changes in the forecast model, Kurzmen said. But tight maintenance budgets made it impossible for the park to immediately change the signs
Doesn't sound like a hard date. Sounds like a "forecast". Anyone that understands anything about forecasts is that they are always subject to change. They are given in percentage chances.
Whoever put up a sign with a hard date based on a forecast/model was an idiot.
Anyone that lives in Hurricane country could tell you that.
This post was edited on 4/24/24 at 9:48 am
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