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WSJ Gaslighting: What’s Wrong With the Economy? It’s You, Not the Data

Posted on 4/7/24 at 11:55 am
Posted by TerryDawg03
The Deep South
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 4/7/24 at 11:55 am
The headline alone jumped out at me from April 4 edition of WSJ. Some serious gaslighting going on. This started on the front page and continued later. Full article copied due to paywall.

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What’s Wrong With the Economy? It’s You, Not the Data
Many Americans believe that the economy and their finances are worse than they really are

In The Wall Street Journal’s latest poll of swing states, 74% of respondents said inflation has moved in the wrong direction in the past year.

This assessment, which holds across all seven states, is startling, sobering—and simply not true. I’m not stating an opinion. This isn’t something on which reasonable people can disagree. If hard economic data count for anything, we can say unambiguously that inflation has moved in the right direction in the past year.

In the 12 months through February, inflation, according to the century-old consumer-price index, was 3.2%, compared with 6% a year earlier. Use a slightly different time horizon, or a slightly different measure (such as the index the Federal Reserve prefers) and you get similar results. Take out food and energy—or for that matter look only at food and energy—and inflation is still down.

Yes, some individuals faced higher inflation (someone who bought a house, for instance) but, for the average person, inflation went down.

Yet the average person thinks it went up.

When it comes to the economy, the vibes are at war with the facts, and the vibes are winning. This is obviously bad news for President Biden’s re-election hopes. He can’t exactly tell voters that they are wrong; he would be called out of touch. And it probably wouldn’t change anything. The vibes seem symptomatic of a broader pessimism disconnected from the data.

It’s tempting to chalk this up to a misunderstanding. Lower inflation means the level of prices is still rising, just more slowly than before. People sometimes conflate inflation with the level of prices and believe inflation is getting worse because the price level keeps going up (it rarely goes down).

A recently released Brookings Institution study by Harvard University economist Stefanie Stantcheva sheds light on exactly how people think and feel about inflation. It found that half of respondents defined inflation correctly, as rising prices. The other half defined it incorrectly, mentioning such things as “price gouging” or “overpriced everything.” So, some people might conflate high prices with high inflation. But enough to explain our survey results? Doubtful.

Moreover, the gap between vibes and facts goes well beyond inflation, strongly suggesting choice of words isn’t the explanation.

By 47% to 41%, more Journal poll respondents think their investments or retirement savings went in the wrong direction in the past year—a period in which the stock market roared to record highs, home values held steady or rose, and interest on savings went up.

The average customer retirement account at mutual fund giant Vanguard grew 19% last year. True, that didn’t make up for the 20% decline in 2022, especially after inflation. But it hardly qualifies as the wrong direction.

By more than 2-to-1 (56% to 25%), respondents said the economy had gotten worse rather than gotten better over the past two years. That is difficult to square with robust employment growth, unemployment near its lowest in half a century, or growth in gross domestic product, which actually accelerated last year.

As the saying goes, you can’t eat gross domestic product, or GDP. But what you eat is part of GDP and while people have said for several years that they are cutting back on groceries and eating out, the data show that Americans as a whole are spending more on groceries and restaurant meals, after adjusting for inflation, than in 2019.

To be sure, inflation and shortages were severe from 2021 through early 2023 and the improvement in the data since might not have been enough to erase those bad memories. Still, there is evidence people actually do notice things getting better around them. Surveys by the University of Michigan, for example, find consumer confidence has risen.

Moreover, while respondents rate the national economy as bad by a significant margin, they rate their own state’s economy as good by almost as much.

This is reminiscent of how voters tend to assign low marks to Congress but high marks to their own representatives. But the definition of a good Congress depends a lot on your politics, whereas the definition of a good economy ought to be somewhat objective. Everyone (except a few central bankers) wants lower unemployment. And swing states’ economies have largely tracked the nation’s.

All of this suggests that the bad vibes about inflation and the economy are interlaced with a deeper pessimism about the country—what I’ve previously called “referred pain.”

Stantcheva’s study shows that inflation evokes broader feelings of injustice. People tend to believe that prices rise faster than wages, that companies raise prices because they can but don’t raise wages because they don’t have to, and that the rich always do better with inflation. (Those things are true at times but not over long periods of time.)

Stantcheva told me that, while inflation clearly generates bad feelings, bad feelings about the country or the economy might make them more pessimistic about inflation. For instance, her study finds that, whereas economists associate lower unemployment with higher inflation, the public believes weak growth, high unemployment and high inflation all go together. As one survey respondent said: “To me, inflation is when the economy is more than just hurting. It’s when it’s too tough just to keep positive.”

So, if views on inflation are a function of broader pessimism, where does this pessimism come from?

One popular culprit is the media. A recent study of online news in Nature found that each negative word in a headline increases the click-through rate by 2.3%. This negative bias is nothing new: It was true of unemployment in the 1990s, and true of Covid-19 in 2020, according to research. (It’s even truer of social media—it’s called doomscrolling for a reason.) A recent Brookings analysis by Ben Harris and Aaron Sojourner suggested the negative bias of economic news has intensified in recent years.

But media negativity doesn’t necessarily cause public pessimism; it might simply be correlated. Stantcheva’s study finds that while people get information about inflation from a variety of media, they rely mostly on their own experience. People consume media that confirms their biases, and media—especially social media, with its finely tuned algorithms—tend to give consumers what they want.

The media and the public are negative for the same reason: They are worried about the country. It will take more than lower inflation to change that.

Write to Greg Ip at greg.ip@wsj.com


This writer is so caught up with the numbers that he can't see the forest for the trees. The closest he gets to sounding rational is the underlined piece about inflation and wages lagging.

"Those things are true at times but not over long periods of time." Well, we're less than four years out from the worst inflation we've had in decades, and we're still experiencing inflation, so we're still in the short term, and it sucks.

Very surprised to see this in the WSJ.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 4/7/24 at 11:57 am to
Read something similar the other day. Money given to journalists to blame citizens and absolve government.

Sadly it will work because the average voter is a tard.
Posted by jrodLSUke
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Member since Jan 2011
22372 posts
Posted on 4/7/24 at 12:00 pm to
quote:

I’m not stating an opinion...inflation has moved in the right direction in the past year.

This is the equivalent of Peej posting his usual opinions and end it with "FACT!". As usual, intellectually dishonest people are simply not bothered by their own obvious lie.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
263358 posts
Posted on 4/7/24 at 12:01 pm to
quote:


This writer is so caught up with the numbers that he can't see the forest for the trees.


Journalists are idiots outside of journalism.

Economics is a foreign language to them.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
99845 posts
Posted on 4/7/24 at 12:02 pm to
Lies
Damned lies
Statistics
CPI data
Posted by Saint Alfonzo
Member since Jan 2019
22551 posts
Posted on 4/7/24 at 12:02 pm to
Who you gonna believe, Sleepy Joe Biden or your own lying eyes?
Posted by DotBling
Member since Oct 2019
3127 posts
Posted on 4/7/24 at 12:07 pm to
quote:

Not the Data


Because we know that they would never manipulate the data.
Posted by Zach
Gizmonic Institute
Member since May 2005
112799 posts
Posted on 4/7/24 at 12:13 pm to
I've been hearing this mantra in media for a year. 'It's getting better!'. Yeah, that's like a kid saying "I used to get beat up every day. Now I only get beat up every other day."
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
91246 posts
Posted on 4/7/24 at 12:20 pm to
The problem with the article is it assumes the govt data is actually correct

People believe what they see with their own eyes not what the govt says. People do budgets and see they’re getting less bang for their buck it doesn’t take a rocket scientist
Posted by thebigmuffaletta
Member since Aug 2017
13348 posts
Posted on 4/7/24 at 12:21 pm to
Of course they conveniently leave out the fact that Americans are paying for the inflation from the previous three years. It might be 3.2% now but that’s on top of the inflation consumers have already endured.
This post was edited on 4/7/24 at 12:22 pm
Posted by Lynxrufus2012
Central Kentucky
Member since Mar 2020
12350 posts
Posted on 4/7/24 at 12:22 pm to
Dumb arse must have never gone to a grocery store or filled his car with gasoline. If you are a limousine liberal everything is great!
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
111802 posts
Posted on 4/7/24 at 12:24 pm to
quote:

and inflation is still down.


Inflation was 20% and now it’s 10% so everything should be good.
Posted by Sofaking2
Member since Apr 2023
5409 posts
Posted on 4/7/24 at 12:37 pm to
quote:

People tend to believe that prices rise faster than wages, that companies raise prices because they can but don’t raise wages because they don’t have to, and that the rich always do better with inflation. (Those things are true at times but not over long periods of time.)
My bank accounts don’t lie to me. I am not a big spender. I am conservative with my money. There is no way inflation is 3% over the last 12 months. I saw a stat the other day that said inflation is around 24% over the last 3-4 years. That sounds closer, but I think it’s more than that. They can sell this BS to people who don’t pay attention.
Posted by Sofaking2
Member since Apr 2023
5409 posts
Posted on 4/7/24 at 12:38 pm to
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Dumb arse must have never gone to a grocery store or filled his car with gasoline. If you are a limousine liberal everything is great!

Absolutely, they don’t live with the peasants.
Posted by AquaVitae
Member since May 2022
97 posts
Posted on 4/7/24 at 12:42 pm to
I’m sorry if prices rising by just 3.2% this year ON TOP OF last years 6% increase doesn’t made me feel better.

Funny he neglects to mention that all job growth in the past year has been in part time jobs…and the number of full time jobs is actually lower than a year ago. And that native born employment is also lower than a year ago. Meaning all the job gains have went to illegals working part time jobs.

He also neglects to mention the lowest labor participation rate ever that is artificially lowering the unemployment rate. Or that wage increases are falling inflation again. Or the historic diversion between the household and establishment employment surveys…the former showing a much weaker labor market.

But other than that there is no reason for people to feel the economy is worse than the government data suggests. I guess people are just too stupid to realize we are really much better off.
Posted by dcbl
Good guys wear white hats.
Member since Sep 2013
29791 posts
Posted on 4/7/24 at 12:43 pm to
quote:

This assessment, which holds across all seven states, is startling, sobering—and simply not true
this is not gaslighting, it is straight up lying
Posted by FLTech
the A
Member since Sep 2017
13414 posts
Posted on 4/7/24 at 12:46 pm to
Well, everybody seems to have a $800 smart phone, every streaming app available and gaming systems
Posted by Lou Pai
Member since Dec 2014
28202 posts
Posted on 4/7/24 at 12:47 pm to
quote:

Very surprised to see this in the WSJ.


It's an Opinion piece. Not sure why you would melt about that.
Posted by SirWinston
PNW
Member since Jul 2014
83287 posts
Posted on 4/7/24 at 12:48 pm to
WSJ hates Trump as much as any other publication. It is run by filth.
Posted by Lou Pai
Member since Dec 2014
28202 posts
Posted on 4/7/24 at 12:50 pm to
Donald Trump has had pieces published under his name on the WSJ Opinion page
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