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re: Francis Scott Key Bridge in Baltimore has collapsed - container ship wrecked into it

Posted on 3/27/24 at 12:37 pm to
Posted by Boudreaux35
BR
Member since Sep 2007
21678 posts
Posted on 3/27/24 at 12:37 pm to
quote:

We aren't far off from needing multiple bridge replacements in Louisiana


OR....You rehabilitate the current bridges, which is the feasible thing to do.
Posted by MemphisGuy
Member since Nov 2023
4121 posts
Posted on 3/27/24 at 12:38 pm to
quote:

Or maybe stop sending billions to Ukraine and Iran and funding gender programs in Pakistan paying billions to illegals, and fix our shite at home instead.



That's not very global thinking of you!
Posted by DakIsNoLB
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2015
625 posts
Posted on 3/27/24 at 12:50 pm to
quote:

We aren't far off from needing multiple bridge replacements in Louisiana


quote:

OR....You rehabilitate the current bridges, which is the feasible thing to do.



Nothing last forever and rehabilitation only buys so much time.

Posted by wheelr
Member since Jul 2012
5149 posts
Posted on 3/27/24 at 1:10 pm to
Reporter during the White House briefing asked for an estimate to clear debris and create a channel for ships. He asked "days, weeks, months, years?". They were unable to answer.

A couple lift barges, cutting torches, and some GoM oilfield baws could get it done in a few weeks.
Posted by BRich
Old Metairie
Member since Aug 2017
2259 posts
Posted on 3/27/24 at 1:23 pm to
quote:

We aren't far off from needing multiple bridge replacements in Louisiana


quote:


OR....You rehabilitate the current bridges, which is the feasible thing to do.



Just about finished working on a rural bridge replacement project for the LADOTD in 9 different Parishes, 38 different small bridges.

All are being replaced, because all of them have load limits posted, were built during the Huey P. Long administration, and are built on wooden pilings/posts instead of concrete. Some will have temporary bridges in place during replacement; others will use detour routes.

Since federal funds are involved, all of them also have to have to undergo environmental review-- wetlands, cultural resources, endangered species, etc.

Yet the Louisiana Hwy 90 bridges across the Pearl River are COMPLETELY CLOSED to traffic and there is NO IMMEDIATE PLAN in place to fix or replace them.
Posted by ColoradoAg03
Denver, CO
Member since Oct 2012
6234 posts
Posted on 3/27/24 at 1:27 pm to
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Since federal funds are involved, all of them also have to have to undergo environmental review-- wetlands, cultural resources, endangered species, etc.


Yay NEPA!
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
26170 posts
Posted on 3/27/24 at 2:08 pm to
Baltimore dispatch recordings have been released

YT
Posted by jizzle6609
Houston
Member since Jul 2009
4562 posts
Posted on 3/27/24 at 2:27 pm to
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Baltimore dispatch recordings have been released


Nothing they could do.

Posted by Foy
Member since Nov 2009
3404 posts
Posted on 3/27/24 at 2:29 pm to
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Or maybe stop sending billions to Ukraine and Iran and funding gender programs in Pakistan paying billions to illegals, and fix our shite at home instead.


Don't forget Israel.
Posted by SoggyBottomBaw
Live Free Or Die
Member since Nov 2022
462 posts
Posted on 3/27/24 at 2:42 pm to
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The NTSB investigation will likely take a year to complete and maritime experts expect a public hearing will be scheduled sooner. Details of the inspection in Chile will likely be presented at the hearing. There will also likely be questions about the effectiveness of USCG follow-up inspections considering the serious budget and manning problems the Coast Guard currently faces.

gcaptain.com
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
204332 posts
Posted on 3/27/24 at 2:49 pm to
The I-10 bridge in lake Charles needs to be replaced before a disaster strikes.
Posted by Boomdaddy65201
BoCoMo
Member since Mar 2020
2678 posts
Posted on 3/27/24 at 2:57 pm to
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Reporter during the White House briefing asked for an estimate to clear debris and create a channel for ships. He asked "days, weeks, months, years?". They were unable to answer.


Ask the Hawaiians, the Ohioans, the Floridians, the American citizenry that have desperately needed this administration’s support in a disaster?

The Hawaiian’s got a check for $600.00 & photo op with a half dead potato, the Ohioans got the same thing over a year later minus the 6 bills, and the Floridians had a competent Governor that fixed the bridge themselves in under a month.

That debris removed and the bridge rebuilt multiple times over for a fraction of the cost that’s been pissed away in Ukraine.

Posted by HeadSlash
TEAM LIVE BADASS - St. GEORGE
Member since Aug 2006
50144 posts
Posted on 3/27/24 at 3:09 pm to
Where were the tugboats?
Posted by hubertcumberdale
Member since Nov 2009
6617 posts
Posted on 3/27/24 at 3:10 pm to
quote:

Where were the tugboats?



how exactly is a tug boat going to stop a vessel that weighs over 150,000 tons moving 8 knots?
Posted by Wishnitwas1998
where TN, MS, and AL meet
Member since Oct 2010
58484 posts
Posted on 3/27/24 at 3:17 pm to
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Seemingly if it just lost power and turned the motor into neutral, why would it have not just continued on straight under the bridge?


Lots of assumptions involved but what sort of current were they dealing with? Wind?? A ship like that without propulsion is going to be extremely susceptible to wind
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
20058 posts
Posted on 3/27/24 at 3:17 pm to
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Since federal funds are involved, all of them also have to have to undergo environmental review-- wetlands, cultural resources, endangered species, etc.


Bureaucratic idiots really know how to pour sand into the gears!
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
Member since Jun 2009
66184 posts
Posted on 3/27/24 at 3:29 pm to
quote:

Ask the Hawaiians, the Ohioans, the Floridians, the American citizenry that have desperately needed this administration’s support in a disaster?

Now do Puerto Rico, just for a comparison...
Posted by WestSideTiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2004
3672 posts
Posted on 3/27/24 at 3:58 pm to
quote:

how exactly is a tug boat going to stop a vessel that weighs over 150,000 tons moving 8 knots?

Doesn’t have to stop it at that speed. Just steer it.
Posted by BayouBlitz
Member since Aug 2007
15874 posts
Posted on 3/27/24 at 4:02 pm to
quote:

Just steer it.


Without power?
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
26170 posts
Posted on 3/27/24 at 4:16 pm to
quote:

Where were the tugboats?


There were two tugs Brigett and Eric Macallister that escorted Dali out of the berth and into the track for the channel and the tugs return. SOP.
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