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re: Francis Scott Key Bridge in Baltimore has collapsed - container ship wrecked into it

Posted on 3/28/24 at 4:00 pm to
Posted by DakIsNoLB
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2015
578 posts
Posted on 3/28/24 at 4:00 pm to
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I'm a ME not civil so maybe you CE's can comment on how long it would even take to engineer a replacement bridge. Are there pre-engineered solutions a CE just need to throw in a few parameters and spit out drawings for a PE to review and stamp? Or would a bridge like this be a from the ground up design? I'd imagine just getting the supply chain up and running on a project like this would be several months in and of itself and that process doesn't start until there is an actual design and drawings.



No. There's not any pre-engineered solutions. I'm assuming they'll maintain the existing approach spans and only replace the 3-span truss that went down. They will first have to decide on the type of structure they want (truss, cable stay, suspension, etc.) and what span arrangement (the original was 700'-1200'-700').

Everything has to be designed from the top-down to the latest codes for the latest design loads. Geometrics have to be nailed down as well. Design-Bid-Build would probably take 1.5-2 years design and 3-4 years to build. Accelerated delivery methods (Design-Build, Construcion Manager/General Contractor) could cut that total down by 1-2 years.

Lead time on materials is real, and, yes, there's not a good idea on exactly what is needed until design is finished. Something to remember is you don't need all of it on hand at the same time. Materials and fabrication for top of bridge elements can be in process while youre building the foundations and piers/bents.

It's going to be 5+ years to get something built. The Loyola Interchange in New Orleans is something you can maybe use for context. That project has taken about 5 years from design to opening, but that's not including the front end time to get proposals and bids in to award the work.
Posted by DakIsNoLB
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2015
578 posts
Posted on 3/28/24 at 4:03 pm to
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What’s hard to believe with a design that fragile, there were no bollards protecting it.



The design is only fragile in the context of what happened. That ship had a dead weight tonnage of 116,000 tons. That weight moving at 8 knots is going to obliterate just about anything; it's not something that will ever be designed for save in the bollards that should have been there.
Posted by HooDooWitch
TD Bronze member
Member since Sep 2009
10269 posts
Posted on 3/28/24 at 4:05 pm to
It had an issue…
Probably the deep state taking out a port where 30% of the nations coal goes through. Now with more opportunities for bribes and payoffs. Get ready crawfish prices are going up!
Posted by WhiskeyThief
Slidell
Member since Oct 2018
286 posts
Posted on 3/29/24 at 7:13 am to
Why is fed govt … code for tax payers …
Paying for rebuilding bridge.
Ship company/Ship owner/Insurance
a s s-hats owe this bill
Posted by Squedunk
Around Dumb People
Member since Jun 2008
673 posts
Posted on 3/29/24 at 7:18 am to
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Why is fed govt … code for tax payers …
Paying for rebuilding bridge.
Ship company/Ship owner/Insurance
a s s-hats owe this bill


This! Especially if the were using illegal fuel. And who down votes this?
Posted by Jack Bauers HnK
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
5713 posts
Posted on 3/29/24 at 7:44 am to
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Why is fed govt … code for tax payers … Paying for rebuilding bridge. Ship company/Ship owner/Insurance a s s-hats owe this bill


Has the ship company/ship owner/insurance cut a check yet? How long will it take for them to do so? Do we just sit on our hands waiting for that check to start cleanup and construction or do we get started now with our own funds and recover from them in due time?
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
20457 posts
Posted on 3/29/24 at 7:58 am to
Realistically litigation will take years. Those ships and shipping companies run with multiple different shell companies operating them. The company that had the contract is different than who owns the boat and that who runs the crew and then there’s the channel pilots. Throw in some likely maintenance issues, etc.

I don’t like it but the fed gov needs to step in to reopen the port as soon as possible.
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