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ESPN: How Alabama moved from Nick Saban to Kalen DeBoer in 49 hours

Posted on 3/6/24 at 9:15 am
Posted by RLDSC FAN
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Posted on 3/6/24 at 9:15 am
Good read

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But the 27-20 overtime loss to Michigan in the CFP semifinal at the Rose Bowl on Jan. 1 was a hard one for Saban to digest. Not only was Saban upset about the way his team played, he was especially disheartened about some of the things that happened afterward -- in the Rose Bowl locker room and back on campus when he met with some of the players.

"I want to be clear that wasn't the reason, but some of those events certainly contributed," Saban said of his decision to retire. "I was really disappointed in the way that the players acted after the game. You gotta win with class. You gotta lose with class. We had our opportunities to win the game and we didn't do it, and then showing your arse and being frustrated and throwing helmets and doing that stuff ... that's not who we are and what we've promoted in our program."

Once back in Tuscaloosa, as Saban began meeting with players, it became even more apparent to him that his message wasn't resonating like it once did.

"I thought we could have a hell of a team next year, and then maybe 70 or 80 percent of the players you talk to, all they want to know is two things: What assurances do I have that I'm going to play because they're thinking about transferring, and how much are you going to pay me?" Saban recounted. "Our program here was always built on how much value can we create for your future and your personal development, academic success in graduating and developing an NFL career on the field.

"So I'm saying to myself, 'Maybe this doesn't work anymore, that the goals and aspirations are just different and that it's all about how much money can I make as a college player?' I'm not saying that's bad. I'm not saying it's wrong, I'm just saying that's never been what we were all about, and it's not why we had success through the years."

Saban had also grown weary of churning through assistant coaches every year. For example, Tommy Rees, who was hired during the 2023 offseason, was Saban's seventh offensive coordinator in the past 11 years, and on occasion, there were nearly entire overhauls. After the 2018 season, seven assistants left for other jobs. Saban could tell that his age was becoming a factor in hiring coaches.

"People wanted assurances that I was going to be here for three or four years, and it became harder to make those assurances," Saban said. "But the thing I loved about coaching the most was the relationships that you had with players, and those things didn't seem to have the same meaning as they once did."


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From the outset, Washington's DeBoer and Florida State's Mike Norvell were at the top of Byrne's list. Both had what Byrne was looking for: a proven head coach who had won on a big stage and shown the propensity to develop players. Byrne declined to go into detail about whom he talked to first or his pecking order. But he had serious conversations with both coaches the day after Saban retired.

Throughout the interview process, Byrne was in contact with Bell as well as with Saban and Mike Brock, the athletics committee chair of the board of trustees. Byrne had to deal with only one agent as Jimmy Sexton represents both DeBoer and Norvell.

Immediately, there was speculation that Clemson's Dabo Swinney and Ole Miss' Lane Kiffin were possible candidates. Swinney played and coached at Alabama, and Kiffin worked at Alabama under Saban. Both were part of national championship teams at Alabama.

Byrne said there were conversations in his circle about a handful of candidates, but sources told ESPN that neither Swinney nor Kiffin was seriously in the mix. Texas' Steve Sarkisian, who, like Kiffin, is also represented by Sexton, was another prominent name mentioned in media reports, but Alabama's leadership knew Sarkisian wasn't going to leave Texas, especially with the Longhorns moving to the SEC next season, sources said.


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It didn't really matter, though, because by that time Byrne was bearing down on his top two targets. He and his wife, Regina, met with DeBoer and his wife, Nicole, on Thursday in downtown Seattle. There were also serious discussions with Norvell that day.

In fact, in the wee hours of that Friday morning, the fear among Florida State officials was that Norvell was close to trading his FSU garnet for Alabama crimson. Sources told ESPN that Florida State was poised to move quickly if that happened and that Kiffin would be a prime candidate.



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This post was edited on 3/6/24 at 9:26 am
Posted by Frac the world
The Centennial State
Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 3/6/24 at 9:24 am to
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"I thought we could have a hell of a team next year, and then maybe 70 or 80 percent of the players you talk to, all they want to know is two things: What assurances do I have that I'm going to play because they're thinking about transferring, and how much are you going to pay me?"



This shite would piss me off too, he won’t be the last coach to leave college cause of these players just wanting money
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
37745 posts
Posted on 3/6/24 at 9:27 am to
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"I want to be clear that wasn't the reason, but some of those events certainly contributed," Saban said of his decision to retire. "I was really disappointed in the way that the players acted after the game. You gotta win with class. You gotta lose with class. We had our opportunities to win the game and we didn't do it, and then showing your arse and being frustrated and throwing helmets and doing that stuff ... that's not who we are and what we've promoted in our program." Once back in Tuscaloosa, as Saban began meeting with players, it became even more apparent to him that his message wasn't resonating like it once did. "I thought we could have a hell of a team next year, and then maybe 70 or 80 percent of the players you talk to, all they want to know is two things: What assurances do I have that I'm going to play because they're thinking about transferring, and how much are you going to pay me?" Saban recounted. "Our program here was always built on how much value can we create for your future and your personal development, academic success in graduating and developing an NFL career on the field. "So I'm saying to myself, 'Maybe this doesn't work anymore, that the goals and aspirations are just different and that it's all about how much money can I make as a college player?' I'm not saying that's bad. I'm not saying it's wrong, I'm just saying that's never been what we were all about, and it's not why we had success through the years." Saban had also grown weary of churning through assistant coaches every year. For example, Tommy Rees, who was hired during the 2023 offseason, was Saban's seventh offensive coordinator in the past 11 years, and on occasion, there were nearly entire overhauls. After the 2018 season, seven assistants left for other jobs. Saban could tell that his age was becoming a factor in hiring coaches. "People wanted assurances that I was going to be here for three or four years, and it became harder to make those assurances," Saban said. "But the thing I loved about coaching the most was the relationships that you had with players, and those things didn't seem to have the same meaning as they once did."


I want to call bullshite on this, but I can’t. I honestly believe that we are going to lose veteran college coaches because they have made so much fricking money and just don’t want to manage personnel like this. They want to coach. It wouldn’t shock me if some 55-60 year old established coaches that have made almost $100M over their careers say frick it, I’m coaching HS in the future.

We shall see.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
28753 posts
Posted on 3/6/24 at 9:27 am to
Saban is saying what a lot of college coaches are thinking. They understand why the players are looking for money (NIL). But without any contracts, like in pro sports, tying a guy to a team for a set number of years, it is perpetual "free agency". For a guy like Saban who has accomplished everything one could as a college coach the hassle just wasn't worth it for him any longer.

Posted by mattz1122
Member since Oct 2007
52985 posts
Posted on 3/6/24 at 9:32 am to
Saban was encountering the same challenges (with players) that helped drive him out of the NFL. He needs total control and was losing it.
This post was edited on 3/6/24 at 9:34 am
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 3/6/24 at 9:44 am to
Kiffin at FSU would be freaking awesome. Would absolutely dominate that state
Posted by castorinho
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Posted on 3/6/24 at 9:53 am to
Great read
Posted by Pedro
Geaux Hawks
Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 3/6/24 at 9:59 am to
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"But the thing I loved about coaching the most was the relationships that you had with players, and those things didn't seem to have the same meaning as they once did."
as a teacher I feel that. I keep good relationships with the athletes I coach but the relationships with students are virtually nonexistent now.
Posted by BigGreenTiger
New Orleans
Member since Mar 2022
259 posts
Posted on 3/6/24 at 10:05 am to
He tried his hand at the NFL and failed, he saw that College Football is heading that direction and said "I'm out." I don't blame him, he had a hell of a run and want's to retire without damaging his legacy. Good for him on knowing when to hang it up.
Posted by grizzlylongcut
Member since Sep 2021
9876 posts
Posted on 3/6/24 at 10:35 am to
Saban’s demise was a product of his success.
Posted by geauxpurple
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2014
12773 posts
Posted on 3/6/24 at 10:49 am to
NIL is a wonderful thing.
Posted by WG_Dawg
Hoover
Member since Jun 2004
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Posted on 3/6/24 at 11:01 am to
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Alabama moved from Nick Saban to Kalen DeBoer in 49 hours


alabama had known for months that saban was leaving. Acting like this happened swiftly from zero to completion in 2 days is ridiculous.
Posted by KwoodTiger
Member since Aug 2011
918 posts
Posted on 3/6/24 at 11:15 am to
Out of that entire read, biggest takeaway is glad they didn’t hire Norvell.

Oh, and Saban was a cheater. Level playing field does not work for him. Would have been a Dolphins repeat and he knew it.
Posted by St Augustine
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Member since Mar 2006
64660 posts
Posted on 3/6/24 at 11:19 am to
quote:

"I thought we could have a hell of a team next year, and then maybe 70 or 80 percent of the players you talk to, all they want to know is two things: What assurances do I have that I'm going to play because they're thinking about transferring, and how much are you going to pay me?" Saban recounted. "Our program here was always built on how much value can we create for your future and your personal development, academic success in graduating and developing an NFL career on the field.


Don’t blame the dude one bit. Gotta be absolutely exhausting being in your 70s and dealing with the minute details of this shite with 19 year olds.
This post was edited on 3/6/24 at 11:20 am
Posted by LSU fan 246
Member since Oct 2005
90567 posts
Posted on 3/6/24 at 11:47 am to
It's hard to feel remotely sorry for college footballs biggest cheater this century.

He helped create the situation he is in
Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
Member since Sep 2020
35883 posts
Posted on 3/6/24 at 11:54 am to
quote:

"I thought we could have a hell of a team next year, and then maybe 70 or 80 percent of the players you talk to, all they want to know is two things: What assurances do I have that I'm going to play because they're thinking about transferring, and how much are you going to pay me?"

Saban had every right to be pissed.
Posted by evil cockroach
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Member since Nov 2007
7568 posts
Posted on 3/6/24 at 1:49 pm to
quote:

What assurances do I have that I'm going to play because they're thinking about transferring, and how much are you going to pay me?"

...

"So I'm saying to myself, 'Maybe this doesn't work anymore, me making $10 million a year with a private jet and my players making 0$, living in a dorm room, eating at the dining hall
Posted by DBG
vermont
Member since May 2004
72571 posts
Posted on 3/6/24 at 2:42 pm to
Poor Nick. I feel so bad for him and his millions and millions in the bank.

What a fricking joke. He cannot operate unless he has dictator control. He’s losing that(like everyone else is too) so he abruptly quits.

Give me a fricking break man
Posted by Borntoboogy
Member since Jan 2023
365 posts
Posted on 3/7/24 at 8:16 am to
That's why you need a GM type in college front office.
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