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re: Shogun - Official Series Discussion Thread **Spoilers**
Posted on 3/21/24 at 9:12 am to vilma4prez
Posted on 3/21/24 at 9:12 am to vilma4prez
I think this mini series is excellent! The acting, writing and cinematography is all spot on.
The latest episode is where Blackthorne comes to grips with how different the culture is. The realization that his words caused the death of the gardener is his turning point.
The latest episode is where Blackthorne comes to grips with how different the culture is. The realization that his words caused the death of the gardener is his turning point.
Posted on 3/21/24 at 11:41 am to SammyTiger
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People still hang pheasants up to age a couple days. Has to be the right temperature but it seems cold in the show. (snowing at some points)
Why did Blackthorne have it hanging up? Seems like he didn't care about it much less tell someone that if they touch it it means death.
I get the end result of what happened with it but I was just wondering why it was there in the first place and I guess I missed the part when Blackthorne told them not to touch it.
Posted on 3/21/24 at 12:04 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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I get the end result of what happened with it but I was just wondering why it was there in the first place and I guess I missed the part when Blackthorne told them not to touch it.
he was going to dry age it for a stew.
mariko wasn't there to interpret when he received it and he used broken Japanese to say "if you touch. death" obviously not what he meant but it's what was interpreted.
Posted on 3/21/24 at 12:07 pm to 3nOut
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he was going to dry age it for a stew.
So what did he use to make the stew that Mariko told the staff to throw in the sea? He said it was supposed to be a rabbit stew and I thought they used the pheasant but that was before the gardener took it down
Posted on 3/21/24 at 5:41 pm to TygerTyger
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but I think the reason Lord Toronada asked Blackthorne to teach him to dive, and made him do it over and over, was his sneaky way of getting Blackthorne to bathe
That is hilarious...and probably accurate.
Posted on 3/21/24 at 5:42 pm to TygerTyger
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Posted on 3/26/24 at 12:02 pm to udtiger
Anyone watch episode 6?
looks like it's about to be lit!
looks like it's about to be lit!
Posted on 3/26/24 at 12:40 pm to boomtown143
I liked it. Got to think last 4 episodes will be dense and full of action.
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Posted on 3/26/24 at 1:01 pm to ohiovol
I'm kind of surprised the emperor is never (or hardly ever) mentioned. I'm somewhat familiar with the Sengoku Jidai period, and I know the emperor remained a figurehead until the Meiji Restoration. However, my understanding is the Shogun/Daimyo claimed to be ruling on behalf of the emperor, so part of me is surprised nobody even bothers paying lip service to him. Was he really that much of an afterthought, or is this an attempt to simplify the story? I suspect adding another figurehead (in addition to the Taiko's heir) could unnecessarily complicate things for western audiences.
Posted on 3/26/24 at 1:20 pm to ohiovol
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I suspect adding another figurehead (in addition to the Taiko's heir) could unnecessarily complicate things for western audiences.
I think the Taiko (retired regent) was like a Shogun in that he wielded the actual power in Japan. The Taiko came from humble beginnings and cannot be an emperor but his wife is royalty and so his son is actually an emperor who is too young to take the throne. That is my guess anyway.
Posted on 3/26/24 at 6:56 pm to ohiovol
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full of action.
Uh, artillery much?
The last episode played out in a very Japanese way, with the part involving the whorehouse. It took time to develop, but as soon as it was "announced" I knew exactly what he was doing.
Posted on 3/26/24 at 7:06 pm to ohiovol
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However, my understanding is the Shogun/Daimyo claimed to be ruling on behalf of the emperor, so part of me is surprised nobody even bothers paying lip service to him. Was he really that much of an afterthought, or is this an attempt to simplify the story? I suspect adding another figurehead (in addition to the Taiko's heir) could unnecessarily complicate things for western audiences.
i believe that he's a child and the Daimyos are ruling on his behalf till he is of age?
There was a scene where Taiko asks Toranaga to protect his son from the other Daimyos before he dies.
Posted on 3/26/24 at 7:44 pm to Esquire
There are a few places where, I think, editing leads to some gaps like the stew. In the book Toranaga gives Ainjin a pheasant, hare and some other game he caught with falcon. Ainjin then makes a rabbit stew while aging the pheasant.
In the series, no mention is made of the hare.
In the series, no mention is made of the hare.
Posted on 3/26/24 at 7:59 pm to LemmyLives
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It took time to develop
That’s putting it lightly, but it’s been great so far. I expect the last 4 episodes will deliver.
Posted on 3/26/24 at 8:12 pm to rebelrouser
There is an emperor in Japan during the events of the series and the historical events its based on, but it is not the boy. In that era, the emperor is purely a deity like figurehead and is isolated from any real power by the daimyos.
In the series, Toranaga refers to the emperor at least once when he says something along the lines of "we all honor his imminence in Kyoto." Also, Taiko isnt a hereditary position, but the Taiko was able to unify the daimyos enough to agree to preserve the peace by allowing his son (the boy) to take power, and he tried to ensure that setup by creating the council of regents.
In the series, Toranaga refers to the emperor at least once when he says something along the lines of "we all honor his imminence in Kyoto." Also, Taiko isnt a hereditary position, but the Taiko was able to unify the daimyos enough to agree to preserve the peace by allowing his son (the boy) to take power, and he tried to ensure that setup by creating the council of regents.
Posted on 3/26/24 at 11:01 pm to minimal
Another excellent episode. That brothel scene was hot, despite having zero nudity.
Posted on 3/27/24 at 7:20 am to 3nOut
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i believe that he's a child and the Daimyos are ruling on his behalf till he is of age?
There was a scene where Taiko asks Toranaga to protect his son from the other Daimyos before he dies.
You are correct. However, I am fairly certain there is an "Emperor" in Kyoto that presumably will have no involvement in the series. So I believe the Daimyo are ruling on behalf of the Taiko's heir, who himself would theoretically rule Japan on 'behalf of the Emperor' once he comes of age.
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Posted on 3/27/24 at 7:32 am to ohiovol
Another good episode. I liked the further expansion of Mariko’s backstory and her discovering her father married her off to her husband out of protection and survival.
I’m still fully convinced her husband was allowed to live and is working for Ishido.
I’m still fully convinced her husband was allowed to live and is working for Ishido.
Posted on 3/27/24 at 8:20 am to minimal
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There is an emperor in Japan during the events of the series and the historical events its based on, but it is not the boy. In that era, the emperor is purely a deity like figurehead and is isolated from any real power by the daimyos.
In the series, Toranaga refers to the emperor at least once when he says something along the lines of "we all honor his imminence in Kyoto." Also, Taiko isnt a hereditary position, but the Taiko was able to unify the daimyos enough to agree to preserve the peace by allowing his son (the boy) to take power, and he tried to ensure that setup by creating the council of regents.
This sounds right to me.
Posted on 3/27/24 at 9:01 am to BluegrassBelle
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I’m still fully convinced her husband was allowed to live and is working for Ishido.
Wow I never even considered this but it makes a lot of sense.
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