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re: healing place/the church st amant scandal
Posted on 2/26/24 at 8:09 am to Propotstirrer
Posted on 2/26/24 at 8:09 am to Propotstirrer
Damn..this thread hasn't been nuked yet? Anytime someone mentions religion and/or tithing, it usually gets deleted pretty quickly.
Posted on 2/26/24 at 11:18 am to Porter Osborne Jr
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Is this the scandal that Season 1 of True Detective was based on? I believe the scandal was from around Ponchatoula and Hammond area.
Got any more info on this?
Yes. I do. I’ll take the time later for more details, but I preached over there twice in the 90’s before the scandal. I spent time with the pastor and his family. The truth is a bit less scandalous than the allegations (shockingly- especially since he’s in prison for life). More later.
Posted on 2/26/24 at 11:21 am to geauxjo
This the Trey Bernard stuff?
Posted on 2/26/24 at 11:22 am to Trailer Trash
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This the Trey Bernard stuff?
Yes. He was apart of it.
Posted on 2/26/24 at 11:49 am to theunknownknight
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Legally and on paper, yes.
But in practice, not really. It’s the same crew. The Church was one of the first franchise churches of Healing Place. They pulled in enough money to pay off their contract and buy their own franchise rights so they legally split.
And I’m not joking about franchise rights and such. That’s how they operate monetarily, much like a McDonalds.
It used to be around a 50,000 dollar buy in to start a church under them. But the location, possible number of members had to be vetted first (like a McDonald’s location). If approved, you were set up with a small worship crew, equipment, and sermons for the new owner, aka Pastor of the new church, to preach. Everything done in the satellite church needed approval on some level and you were contracted to pay back the money + the owning church took a percentage off tithes off the top every week (like a pyramid).
Eventually, if you made enough money, you could “break away” for a price and franchise your brand out. That’s what St. Amant did.
I saw this first hand when a friend of mine was caught up in the process of starting a new church with them.
all 100% accurate
Posted on 2/26/24 at 12:05 pm to monsterballads
Really?
Can I just buy in now without any obligation other than financial?
I don’t want to pray there, just take everyone’s money.
Can I just buy in now without any obligation other than financial?
I don’t want to pray there, just take everyone’s money.
Posted on 2/26/24 at 1:18 pm to geauxjo
quote:I don't pretend to know everything but I do know a lot. I am not a member but I go there for convenience 2-3 times a month. One of my sons is very active there. His wife works at their school. I've known Mark for 15 years and his wife since she was in high school. I donate to the church because they have one of the largest out reach programs I have ever heard of.
Yes. I do. I’ll take the time later for more details, but I preached over there twice in the 90’s before the scandal. I spent time with the pastor and his family. The truth is a bit less scandalous than the allegations (shockingly- especially since he’s in prison for life). More later.
To the original O.P. Levi (Mark's son) and his family are working elsewhere. Just like Pastor Deano he went through some sort of program that the home organization has just for such cases.
I don't fully understand the organization but before I ever attended there I determined that the label "non-denominational" does not apply. They simply don't have a name or claim any connection to another church. I stand by that.
I can tell you this. No pastor is living a lavish lifestyle. Also one of the other Tigerturds members said Mark sounded like a car salesman. I would say that is because he is pretty much down to earth veteran Marine cowboy that is well versed in the bible. He isn't like any other pastor I have ever been around in my 75 years.
There is sooo much more. Too much to write but I can take questions.
Posted on 2/26/24 at 1:37 pm to nicholastiger
Dino is now on staff at a MEGA church in Birmingham. Where he also "serves" as Executive Director of the ARC.. Association of Related Churches.
This post was edited on 2/26/24 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 2/26/24 at 2:02 pm to Redbone
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don't pretend to know everything but I do know a lot. I am not a member but I go there for convenience 2-3 times a month. One of my sons is very active there. His wife works at their
I’m actually talking about the Hossana church scandal in Ponchatoula but Im very familiar with the Church guys too. I actually like them a lot.
Posted on 2/26/24 at 2:20 pm to One72
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Can I just buy in now without any obligation other than financial?
No. You have to be vetted and your plan approved by their board
Posted on 2/26/24 at 2:25 pm to MercyTriumphs
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Dino is now on staff at a MEGA church in Birmingham. Where he also "serves" as Executive Director of the ARC.. Association of Related Churches
ARC. Blech. I've had family tied up in that mess. I also know Stovall Weems somewhat, and boy that got really nasty when he and ARC split ways.
After having ties in that church world, Swag/HPC/The Church/etc, I'm squarely on the opposite end of the megachurch/emotional/production spectrum now. I like my little reformed theology teaching no frills church.
This post was edited on 2/26/24 at 2:26 pm
Posted on 2/26/24 at 2:26 pm to MercyTriumphs
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Dino is now on staff at a MEGA church in Birmingham.
Briarworld... I mean wood
ETA:
nope, he's not at Briarwood. He's at a church in Missouri, not Birmingham.
This post was edited on 2/27/24 at 11:44 am
Posted on 2/26/24 at 2:32 pm to clamdip
Good money to be made in the feel good church bidness.
Posted on 2/26/24 at 2:33 pm to Propotstirrer
I just want to say this. I went to Ruffinos yesterday and frick the traffic caused by Healing Place.
Posted on 2/26/24 at 2:36 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
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True Detective Season 1's Tuttle Cult was based on a real-life child sex abuse scandal in Hosanna Church, Louisiana. Here are the details of the case.
This article is from Feb 5, 2024.
screenrant.com
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Hosanna Church was one of the fastest-growing congregations in the cypress flats of Tangipahoa Parish, and its pastor at the time, Louis Lamonica, was hailed as a beloved community figure. Things took a murkier turn when it was revealed the church was involved in the sexual abuse of around 24 children, along with the mutilation of animals for ritualistic purposes. State authorities had their first brush with the scandal when a woman named Nicole Bernard called the sheriff’s office to say she had to flee town to save her child from sexual abuse at the hands of the church.
Soon after, nine people were arrested, and a dozen computers believed to contain child pornography were seized, along with dozens of videotapes found within the shattered church compound. Moreover, in the youth hall behind the sanctuary, the police found traces of a pentagram etched on the floor, along with testimonies of members participating in ritualistic killings whilst being masked and dressed in black robes, which clearly grants the case with motivations akin to religion-based, cult-like motivations, which is something the best episodes of True Detective season 1 explained.
This post was edited on 2/26/24 at 2:38 pm
Posted on 2/26/24 at 2:39 pm to geauxjo
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Yes. I do. I’ll take the time later for more details, but I preached over there twice in the 90’s before the scandal. I spent time with the pastor and his family. The truth is a bit less scandalous than the allegations (shockingly- especially since he’s in prison for life). More later.
That "Hosanna Church" scandal was the last gasp of the "Satanic Panic" that started in the 1980s IMO. To me, that case and the McMartin Preschool case were the bookends around that embarrassing national panic.
I guess they convinced a jury that Trey Bernard did something (and maybe Lamonica too - I can't remember). My recollection, though, was that there were all sorts of outlandish accusations made about that church, but what the evidence presented at trial was extremely scant, and difficult to separate from some contentious divorce proceedings, and that was totally at odds with the scandalous nature of the accusations.
I haven't analyzed this case as deeply as the Sandusky case, or the McMartin case, but I would just say that, though sexual abuse is all too real, it doesn't typically resemble any of those 3 cases. It's much more mundane.
Posted on 2/26/24 at 3:00 pm to theunknownknight
This is all so not the Church founded by Christ and built on the Traditions of the Church Fathers and His Word spread through blood shed by the matyrs.
Just a chaotic, dysfunctional spinoff from the many splinters of protestors who split from the dysfunctional, legalistic, pedophiliac Roman Latins.
Narrow is the way to Christ and broad is the path to destruction.
Just a chaotic, dysfunctional spinoff from the many splinters of protestors who split from the dysfunctional, legalistic, pedophiliac Roman Latins.
Narrow is the way to Christ and broad is the path to destruction.
Posted on 2/26/24 at 3:06 pm to Redbone
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There is sooo much more. Too much to write but I can take questions.
How much are they paying you to shill for them
Posted on 2/26/24 at 3:14 pm to clamdip
Totally agree. . Not a fan.
Posted on 2/26/24 at 3:14 pm to Tiger Ryno
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Good money to be made in the feel good church bidness.
I always wanted to open a church and have it ding your apple pay for like $5 every time you came through the door. Thought it was a genius plan.
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