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re: Here is the reality on the ground in Ukraine. FJB

Posted on 2/25/24 at 10:20 am to
Posted by FearlessFreep
Baja Alabama
Member since Nov 2009
17328 posts
Posted on 2/25/24 at 10:20 am to
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We care because a Putin victory is contrary to America’s security interest, politically and economically.
so is devaluing the US dollar by printing tens of billions to prop up a corrupt despotic regime in a futile effort to maintain a false perception that they are “winning” an unwinnable war
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
19400 posts
Posted on 2/25/24 at 10:23 am to
She posted her passport stamps. So she was there.

The Ukrainians I’ve talked with are incredibly pessimistic.
This post was edited on 2/25/24 at 10:25 am
Posted by Bwmdx
Member since Dec 2018
2766 posts
Posted on 2/25/24 at 10:24 am to
I’m not a Russian cheerleader, I’m pulling for Ukrainians. But anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together saw where this would eventually end. The best thing that could have happened is for us to have never got involved with Ukraine and pushed a color revolution on them, that is on us as is the eventual war they are currently in. Ukraine would have been better off if Russia had succeeded in their run to Kiev.

As it stands today, Ukraine is a dead country. All the young women of childbearing age have fled and the men have either died or will die. Ukraine will no longer be a country for Ukrainians. We have essentially enabled an eventual genocide of that country.
Posted by Bwmdx
Member since Dec 2018
2766 posts
Posted on 2/25/24 at 10:25 am to
How else are our politicians going to hide their grift and make a little back if they don’t have somewhere to send “aid” to?
Posted by Houag80
Member since Jul 2019
9270 posts
Posted on 2/25/24 at 10:25 am to
You continuously slob the knob of the midget, Zelensky, and the demented pedophile, Joe Biden. Go fck yourself with an AIDS cactus.
Posted by Jack Daniel
In the bottle
Member since Feb 2013
25549 posts
Posted on 2/25/24 at 10:27 am to
I wonder how the Reddit warriors that went join the fight are doing?
Posted by RiverCityTider
Jacksonville, Florida
Member since Oct 2008
4437 posts
Posted on 2/25/24 at 10:27 am to
Not only is it not in our interest for Ukraine to win, it is in our interest that they and their "allies" lose.

The elites are in the process of upending western culture through mass migration, attacks on personal freedom, depopulation, and compromising election integrity.

They want a Western/China duopoly.
And to get there, they require a nwo puppet as Russian president.

The Russians are literally the last holdout against the coming dystopic post reset hell on earth.

Not only that, Russia is likely literally the last refuge for many younger Americas... a country that is amazingly self sufficient, with the brainpower to compete technologically and the military to maintain sovereignty.

Russia isn't free in the traditional sense. But it is a country that is governed in a way that aspires to the preservation of its own people and culture including Christianity. It's borders are closed and it's leadership is Russian and not citizens of the world and it's new order.

Russia is literally the last hope on earth. And luckily, it is underpopulated and could use western migrants.

America has fallen. This zombie empire that rules us isn't American. It is a zombie parasite consuming its host. You better hope it fails in all it tries to do. Because each success is another step closer to your demise.





This post was edited on 2/25/24 at 10:31 am
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
19400 posts
Posted on 2/25/24 at 10:31 am to
The terrain won’t support an insurgency, you won’t be able to hide. In most of the country there’s too much Russian support as well, so if you did establish a cell, someone would report you. Fatigue is another issue though, they’ve lost 100,000s of men, and casualties will likely top a million, when the war officially ends, there probably won’t be the desire to keep on fighting. People will be spent.
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
34342 posts
Posted on 2/25/24 at 10:35 am to
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Let Russia have the territories that want to be a part of Russia anyway.


All of our West Coast would belong to China with that mindset.

Split Ukraine at the Dneiper.

Let each side vote.

My guess is that…

West Ukraine would align with NATO.

East Ukraine would align with Russia, and still allow for a buffer state in that region.
Posted by GhostOfFreedom
Member since Jan 2021
11832 posts
Posted on 2/25/24 at 10:36 am to
She got heavily attacked by bots and had to restrict replies.
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
53669 posts
Posted on 2/25/24 at 10:37 am to
The whole thing is sad. We apparently have no diplomats. Guys like Ray McGovern and Larry Johnson have said there was better relations between the countries during the Cold War. Nuland et al. need to be relegated to the dustbin of history.
Posted by RiverCityTider
Jacksonville, Florida
Member since Oct 2008
4437 posts
Posted on 2/25/24 at 10:38 am to
The Russians could take Kiev tomorrow. But they are doing what they want to do... which is to dismember the Ukraine Army.

They don't want to Rule most of Ukraine. And, they are concerned that overruning all of Ukraine will prompt a western false flag, possibly nuclear.

The west just wants to keep the war going with the hope that it will cause distress and possibly regime change in Russia. I'm sure the CIA already has its puppet selected and Davos would approve.

Posted by RuLSU
Chicago, IL
Member since Nov 2007
8088 posts
Posted on 2/25/24 at 10:40 am to
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Russia is literally the last hope on earth. And luckily, it is underpopulated and could use western migrants. America has fallen. This zombie empire that rules us isn't American. It is a zombie parasite consuming its host. You better hope it fails in all it tries to do. Because each success is another step closer to your demise.

You packing your bags and moving to Russia? I hear it’s beautiful this time of year.

Be sure to post your honest criticism when you’re there.
Posted by RiverCityTider
Jacksonville, Florida
Member since Oct 2008
4437 posts
Posted on 2/25/24 at 10:43 am to
I'm to old and will be dead by the time you are a citizen of Oceana.

Posted by RuLSU
Chicago, IL
Member since Nov 2007
8088 posts
Posted on 2/25/24 at 10:43 am to
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I'm not a Russian cheerleader, but we have no business involving ourselves in Ukraine's fight with Russia. It's not our war to fight and it's not our war to fund.

In exchange for surrendering their nuclear weapons, the US promised Ukraine territorial integrity. That meant we’d defend/support them if invaded.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
19400 posts
Posted on 2/25/24 at 10:49 am to
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Russia isn't free in the traditional sense. But it is a country that is governed in a way that aspires to the preservation of its own people and culture including Christianity. It's borders are closed and it's leadership is Russian and not citizens of the world and it's new order.


Discipline is freedom, no?


I was surprised by how normal and traditional Russia was, especially compared to the US. I didn’t know what to expect, but it seemed so improbable after 79 years of communism. How is it possible?

I think it goes back to how they see themselves and how society is structured at a basic level. It shows up in linguistics but they recognize a explicit connection to each other which you don’t see in Western societies. This example is stolen from an essay I read, but your neighbor won’t do something that will effect you, without at least talking to you about it first. It’s not that they have an Asian style communal culture, they don’t, but to hurt their neighbor is on some level to hurt themselves. Compare that to the US where every man is an island, and where we have few if any obligations to the people around us. The Russian model is going much more resilient when it comes to defending itself against culture changes that a government is trying to impose on it. The downside to our model is that our anarchic sense of liberty undermines and damages family and faith, and makes it difficult for us to act collectively to defend ourselves.

Russians may not have the personal freedom we have, but it’s because they have a sense of duty to their family, friends, and nation. And that’s what’s preserved their culture in the face of modernity.

The problem with our model, is that we could lose everything because we can’t act together to defend ourselves.
This post was edited on 2/25/24 at 10:50 am
Posted by JayDeerTay84
Texas
Member since May 2013
9847 posts
Posted on 2/25/24 at 10:50 am to
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In exchange for surrendering their nuclear weapons, the US promised Ukraine territorial integrity. That meant we’d defend/support them if invaded.


What if we were the ones that got them invaded in the 1st place?
Posted by Sofaking2
Member since Apr 2023
4086 posts
Posted on 2/25/24 at 10:51 am to
None of this is our business. We need to stay in our lane.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
19400 posts
Posted on 2/25/24 at 10:51 am to
Ukraine was supposed to be a neutral state.
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
53669 posts
Posted on 2/25/24 at 10:52 am to
They should have listened to Mearsheimer.
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