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Here is the reality on the ground in Ukraine. FJB

Posted on 2/25/24 at 9:24 am
Posted by Swazla
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Posted on 2/25/24 at 9:24 am
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Maria Mateiciuc
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I just got back from Ukraine, where I was visiting some friends.

Everything we have heard about what’s happening in Ukraine is a lie.

The reality is darker, bleaker, and unequivocally hopeless. There is no such thing as Ukraine "winning" this war.

- By their estimates, they have lost over one million of their sons, fathers and husbands; an entire generation is gone.
- Even in the Southwest, where the anti-Russian sentiment is long-standing, citizens are reluctant or straight-up scared to publicly criticize Zelensky; they will go to jail.
- In every village and town, the streets, shops, and restaurants are mostly absent of men.
- The few men who remain are terrified of leaving their homes for fear of being kidnapped into conscription. Some have resorted to begging friends to break their legs to avoid service.
- Army search parties take place early in the morning, when men leave their homes to go to work. They ambush and kidnap them off the streets and within 3-4 hours they get listed in the army and taken away straight to the front lines with minimal or no training at all; it is "a death sentence."
- It's getting worse every day. Where I was staying, a dentist had just been taken by security forces on his way to work, leaving behind two small children. Every day, 3-5 dead bodies keep arriving from the front lines.
- Mothers and wives fight tooth and nail with the armed forces, beg and plead not to have their men taken away. They try bribing, which sometimes works, but most of the time they are met with physical violence and death threats.
- The territory celebrated as having been "won back" from Russia has been reduced to rubble and is uninhabitable. Regardless, there is no one left to live there and displaced families will likely never return.
- They see the way the war has been reported, at home and abroad. It's a "joke" and "propaganda." They say: “Look around: is this winning?”.
- Worse, some have been hoaxed into believing that once Ukrainians forces are exhausted, American soldiers will come in to replace them and “win the war”.

There is no ambiguity in these people. The war was for nothing - a travesty. The outcome always was, and is, clear. The people are hopeless, utterly destroyed, and living in an unending nightmare.

They are pleading for an end, any end - most likely the same "peace" that could have been achieved two years ago. In their minds, they have already lost, for their sons, fathers and husbands are gone, and their country has been destroyed. There is no "victory" that can change that.

Make no mistake, they are angry with Putin. But they are also angry with Zelensky and the West. They have lost everything, worst of all, hope and faith, and cannot comprehend why Zelenky wishes to continue the current trajectory, the one of human devastation.

I didn't witness the war; but what I saw was absolutely heart-breaking.

Shame on the people, regardless of their intentions, who have supported this war. And shame on the media for continuing to lie about it.
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Posted by loogaroo
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Member since Dec 2005
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Posted on 2/25/24 at 9:34 am to
This our fault. Let Russia have the territories that want to be a part of Russia anyway.
Posted by FLTech
the A
Member since Sep 2017
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Posted on 2/25/24 at 9:35 am to
I didn’t read all that (yet) but why in the hell would someone visit a friend in a war torn country? Just kind of weird to me
Posted by JayDeerTay84
Texas
Member since May 2013
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Posted on 2/25/24 at 9:41 am to
OT bros won’t like this one bit.

Posted by JayDeerTay84
Texas
Member since May 2013
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Posted on 2/25/24 at 9:43 am to
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I didn’t read all that (yet) but why in the hell would someone visit a friend in a war torn country? Just kind of weird to me


Because according to western media everything is fine and Russia is using shovels.
Posted by VOR
Member since Apr 2009
63431 posts
Posted on 2/25/24 at 9:49 am to
If some of you honestlypay attention to the media lately, it’s been reported that the situation is dire in Ukraine, reported on NBC, msnbc and cnn. But you Russian cheerleaders can have your moment for now. Ukraine will never totally surrender, even if it turns to geurilla warfare.
Posted by Maytheporkbewithyou
Member since Aug 2016
12586 posts
Posted on 2/25/24 at 9:56 am to
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But you Russian cheerleaders can have your moment for now.


I'm not a Russian cheerleader, but we have no business involving ourselves in Ukraine's fight with Russia. It's not our war to fight and it's not our war to fund.
Posted by SloaneRanger
Upper Hurstville
Member since Jan 2014
7621 posts
Posted on 2/25/24 at 9:56 am to
Never forget that this entire debacle flows from Obama’s and Joe’s meddling in Ukraine 10 years ago and their efforts to overthrow the duly elected government.
Posted by novabill
Crossville, TN
Member since Sep 2005
10433 posts
Posted on 2/25/24 at 9:59 am to
Wasn't the author afraid of conscription?
Posted by Tigerlaff
FIGHTING out of the Carencro Sonic
Member since Jan 2010
20847 posts
Posted on 2/25/24 at 9:59 am to
quote:

I didn’t read all that (yet) but why in the hell would someone visit a friend in a war torn country? Just kind of weird to me

What do you mean? Our media tells us that Ukraine is kicking Putin's arse. Why would it be weird to travel to western Ukraine?

Frankly, someone has to go there to get beyond the rank propaganda.
Posted by novabill
Crossville, TN
Member since Sep 2005
10433 posts
Posted on 2/25/24 at 10:00 am to
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Ukraine will never totally surrender, even if it turns to geurilla warfare.


Okkkayyy?
Why should we care?
Posted by fjlee90
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2016
7832 posts
Posted on 2/25/24 at 10:02 am to
Well… the USA is funding both sides to perpetuate the conflict. Hard to line the wealthy folks pockets if the war stops.
Posted by VOR
Member since Apr 2009
63431 posts
Posted on 2/25/24 at 10:02 am to
We care because a Putin victory is contrary to America’s security interest, politically and economically.
Posted by Rekrul
Member since Feb 2007
7941 posts
Posted on 2/25/24 at 10:04 am to
quote:

If some of you honestlypay attention to the media lately, it’s been reported that the situation is dire in Ukraine, reported on NBC, msnbc and cnn. But you Russian cheerleaders can have your moment for now. Ukraine will never totally surrender, even if it turns to geurilla warfare.


So another $75-100 billion of our money is needed to turn it around or what? How much money is enough for idiots such as yourself?

Clown
Posted by loogaroo
Welsh
Member since Dec 2005
30344 posts
Posted on 2/25/24 at 10:12 am to
quote:

We care because a Putin victory is contrary to America’s security interest, politically and economically.


bullshite. Those territories wanted to be back a part of Russia before the were destroyed. This has nothing to do with security interests. It’s all about hiding our nefarious deeds in a country with no oversight and laundering money.
Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
10880 posts
Posted on 2/25/24 at 10:14 am to
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Ukraine will never totally surrender, even if it turns to geurilla warfare.


There are no people left.
Posted by Motorboat
At the camp
Member since Oct 2007
22664 posts
Posted on 2/25/24 at 10:15 am to
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I didn't witness the war; but what I saw was absolutely heart-breaking.


I one else has seen it either, despite everyone holding a camera on their phones.
Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
10880 posts
Posted on 2/25/24 at 10:15 am to
quote:

We care because a Putin victory is contrary to America’s security interest, politically and economically.


All of this is a lie.
Posted by idlewatcher
County Jail
Member since Jan 2012
78888 posts
Posted on 2/25/24 at 10:16 am to
They need an internal coup and to hang Z in the city center. He’s a traitor to his people
Posted by dsides
Member since Jan 2013
5340 posts
Posted on 2/25/24 at 10:17 am to
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n. But you Russian cheerleaders can have your moment for now.


Such a tired trope. Do better
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