re: Starved to Death in an American Jail, the Man Who Couldn't Pay $100 Bail

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Maybe if we stopped sending lawyers and social workers to the border to process illegal immigrants we could use check on the well being of Americans.

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he was in custody

you think the corrections officers forgot to check on him because they were at the border?

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Try not to plagiarize next time.

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I never claimed to be the author of the study. And the study is linked in at least one other post of mine. You're salty and you're reaching for ways to disparage me.

No. You copy and pasted part of a study you linked earlier without attributing it to the authors making it seem like your own.

That’s bad. Don’t do that.

New Jersey bail reform might not be going as well as third way said it is apparently.

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Eight years ago, then-Republican Gov. Chris Christie teamed up with Democrats to pass a major overhaul of New Jersey’s criminal justice system, ushering through legislation that made the state among the first in the nation to effectively eliminate cash bail.

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Now, some of the state’s most powerful Democrats want to roll back those changes amid rising crime and political lessons from neighboring New York, where another bail overhaul became a major issue in the midterms and fueled key House losses for the party.

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Shaun Golden, the sheriff in Monmouth County near the Jersey Shore, recently circulated a chart to the press that showed the number of car thefts in New Jersey in the first nine months of each year went from fewer than 8,800 in 2017 to 10,702 in 2022. But those arrests dropped significantly after the launch of the Christie-backed bail changes, before spiking even more dramatically in 2021, dropping to just under 7,600 in 2020 before spiking to nearly 9,000 in 2021 and 10,700 in 2022.

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“There are some who have re-offended five or six times,” Golden said in a phone interview, adding that car theft rings are using juveniles, who face a more lenient criminal justice system, as “mules.”

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generally do not agree with the OP, but I agree in this case that it's not o.k. to stand by and watch/let a mentally ill prisoner kill himself in jail. Whether the headline of the thread is accurate or not.

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Yes, you could probably get a consensus on that point on this forum with just a few detractors. You could likely have good discussion on new ways to deal with the situation or liability

What is far more difficult is to assert this is a bail reform issue when the bail was only 100 and multiple family members that could pay that amount without hardship, and by their own admission, did not do do because they thought jail was a better place.

I’ll be seen this often— would be researchers start with a conclusion and seek data to support it. They may even see bail reform in their gumbo. It leads to a distrust in all research

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Or are you just pretending to be blind/illiterate?

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If this is your first reaction to persons that question your data or research, then you might want to reconsider higher education

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linked the sources directly in my posts. I don’t know how to make them more clear or accessible to you

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As you later note, you most assuredly did not. Even cutting and pasting what looks like a very small lit-review does not provide support for your assertion regarding the purported reasons for missed appearances. I am skeptical about any such study, but also know you tend to stretch both findings and recommendations beyond the support of the research

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If this is your first reaction to persons that question your data or research, then you might want to reconsider higher education

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She's a skrong, Liberal Teacher who ain't gonna let ANYBODY mansplain to or question her....

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the bail was only 100 and multiple family members that could pay that amount without hardship, and by their own admission, did not do do because they thought jail was a better place.

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So you believe that the relatives of everyone arrested should be on the hook for bail in specifically what amounts? Your issue seems to be that if someone is poor, they should have to stay in jail as punishment for not being able to afford bail. That's literally exactly what I'm advocating against.

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I’ll be seen this often— would be researchers start with a conclusion and seek data to support it. They may even see bail reform in their gumbo. It leads to a distrust in all research

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Your assumptions cause you to disregard research without evaluating for yourself. Shocking.

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Frankly, I'm not interested in impressing you.

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Frankly, that's good, because you never have. Not positively, anyway. And by the way I haven't said one thing to you or about you on this thread that would make any sense for you to be jerky to me that way (until now, anyway), but maybe you're just a jerk.

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The study said about 40% of people didn't show up for court. That means that 60% did appear in court.

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Like I said, if anyone gave that data, I missed it. You posted what I replied to as though the 13%-21% reduction meant that the majority of people showed up for court.

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you asked "So what do those of you who advocate for bail reform suggest to ensure that people show up for their court appearances?"

I showed you an option that was working.

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Except that it isn't "working." Even according to the numbers you gave, there are still around a quarter of the people who are supposed to be coming for court who just choose to not show up. That's after the nannying.

That's not "working."

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Another option is supervised release.


In 2020, after cash bail was replaced by a supervised release for violent felons, the court appearance rate was 86% which this report says is similar to the appearance rate for those out on bail

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That's getting closer to "working." What does it cost? Sounds kind of expensive.