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re: CFP decides unanimously to use a 5-7 format starting in 2024-25…

Posted on 2/20/24 at 12:42 pm to
Posted by Pedro
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Posted on 2/20/24 at 12:42 pm to
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Football is different
its not though. Ever wonder why there's not a "NCAA Champion" in FBS like other sports?
Posted by Ghost of Colby
Alberta, overlooking B.C.
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 2/20/24 at 12:48 pm to
It will be fun around here if a crazy season unfolded, and LSU finished second in the SEC, but with only one loss and ranked #3.

Only then to have three loss Clemson and Kansas State jump them and receive byes because they won the ACC and Big 12 to receive auto bids.
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
35637 posts
Posted on 2/20/24 at 12:49 pm to
This will eventually just move to 5 from the SEC, 5 from the BIG10...2 at-larges...to give Notre Dame a route in.
This post was edited on 2/20/24 at 12:52 pm
Posted by Basura Blanco
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 2/20/24 at 1:07 pm to
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Only then to have three loss Clemson and Kansas State jump them and receive byes because they won the ACC and Big 12 to receive auto bids.


I guess the flip side to that is if we had beaten UGA in the SEC game in 2022, we would've gotten the bye over 1 one loss Ohio State.

I am slightly torn on this one. I don't like the idea of a potential 3 loss champion of a weak conference getting a bye over a one loss higher ranked team, but I'm not a big fan of the CFP making a subjective decision on who gets it when it isn't as clear cut on who #4 vs #5 either. Why not say the conference champ(s) should be at least top 8 or they lose their bye and get seeded by ranking?

In any case, once we opened up the can of worms that is a playoff anyway, I do like a 12 team playoff with byes and on campus games over what we have now.

Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 2/20/24 at 1:12 pm to
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What difference does it make giving Oklahoma that bid or Liberty?


Oklahoma @ Washington is an objectively better game than Liberty @ Washington. I'm about good football games, not appeasing teams that have zero shot of winning a single game in this playoff.

Do you really think that Liberty and Oklahoma would hypothetically have the same chance to beat Washington?

I have zero interest in watching Liberty play against Washington, I would watch Oklahoma play Washington.
Posted by Basura Blanco
Member since Dec 2011
8397 posts
Posted on 2/20/24 at 1:16 pm to
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20. App St @ 13. Iowa


I absolutely love college football and its really hard for someone to present ANY criteria that would diminish my adoration of the game.

A playoff game in which 2023 App St and Iowa were auto qualifiers meets that criteria. In spades.
This post was edited on 2/20/24 at 1:28 pm
Posted by Pedro
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Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 2/20/24 at 1:24 pm to
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Do you really think that Liberty and Oklahoma would hypothetically have the same chance to beat Washington?
no but is there really much difference between 5% and 10%? Last year Oklahoma vs last year Washington likely would not have been a very good game, imo. Especially as a road playoff game at Washington. Plus like a said earlier id rather a spot go to a team that proved its worth on the field.
Posted by etm512
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Member since Aug 2005
20760 posts
Posted on 2/20/24 at 1:27 pm to
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Except that it is not. Guess you forget that the lower divisions use bylaws and their playoffs work well. Hell NCAA FBS football is the ONLY sport in America that does not have a playoff system, but every other major sport does.


Don't equate FBS and FCS football. They aren't the same. One could argue that the former P5 schools and the G6 schools weren't even really playing the same sport

quote:

FBS football is the ONLY sport in America that does not have a playoff system


What fricking year are you in?
Posted by lsusa
Doing Missionary work for LSU
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 2/20/24 at 1:28 pm to
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Yeah I’m not sure what I’m missing here. There are only 4 major conferences


They are going to make sure that at least one G5(6?) team gets in.

I have no problem with that.
Posted by etm512
Mandeville, LA
Member since Aug 2005
20760 posts
Posted on 2/20/24 at 1:28 pm to
quote:

Football is different


its not though. Ever wonder why there's not a "NCAA Champion" in FBS like other sports?



Because it's different
Posted by etm512
Mandeville, LA
Member since Aug 2005
20760 posts
Posted on 2/20/24 at 1:30 pm to
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Oklahoma @ Washington is an objectively better game than Liberty @ Washington. I'm about good football games, not appeasing teams that have zero shot of winning a single game in this playoff.

Do you really think that Liberty and Oklahoma would hypothetically have the same chance to beat Washington?

I have zero interest in watching Liberty play against Washington, I would watch Oklahoma play Washington.


Most years it's hard to find 4 teams that have a good shot at winning the title. Look at all the blowouts that have happened in the 4 team playoff
Posted by Overbrook
Member since May 2013
6097 posts
Posted on 2/20/24 at 1:39 pm to
And it probably will be reduced to 4 in a couple of years. The real power programs don't care what the auto number is; doesn't affect them.. But it is 2/3 of the P leagues, the 2/3 that has a rare chance at a playoff berth, the 2/3 who are in no way, shape or form a power program (they just happen to be in a league with a power program), who squawk at a G opportunity. After all, a G doesn't have to play Ga and Alabama every year.
Of course, the Gs also don't get $30-$50 million in TV revenue, that the non-power Ps get, but did little to earn.
And if you're a lucky P in the Big 12, and often the ACC, you don't have a Ga or Alabama to go through either.
This post was edited on 2/20/24 at 1:41 pm
Posted by TrueLefty
St. Louis County
Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 2/20/24 at 1:40 pm to
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arting in 2024-25…


What?! Top 12 will be selected so there is your answer.
Posted by TrueLefty
St. Louis County
Member since Oct 2017
15043 posts
Posted on 2/20/24 at 1:43 pm to
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Most years it's hard to find 4 teams that have a good shot at winning the title. Look at all the blowouts that have happened in the 4 team playoff


That also includes Oklahoma getting blown out in the playoffs.
Posted by TrueLefty
St. Louis County
Member since Oct 2017
15043 posts
Posted on 2/20/24 at 1:45 pm to
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Yeah I’m not sure what I’m missing here. There are only 4 major conferences


They are going to make sure that at least one G5(6?) team gets in.

I have no problem with that.

I do have a problem with that.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
25812 posts
Posted on 2/20/24 at 1:57 pm to
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. This does nothing but hand out participation trophies and ruin the high wire act that is the college football regular season


What are you talking about?
The regular season is meaningless for like 90% of teams. LSU loses to Alabama and the season is over. Florida or Tennessee loses to UGA and their season is over. Penn state loses to Ohio state and their season is over. You can go on and on with that.
You had to go undefeated basically if you wanted to play for the big prize.
Now when Alabama loses to LSU this year their season won’t be over. And Florida and Penn State can afford a lost or two if they have nice wins also.
Posted by Tiger Prawn
Member since Dec 2016
21970 posts
Posted on 2/20/24 at 2:12 pm to
They should have only expanded the playoffs to 8 and gave auto bids to each P5 champ and the top ranked G5 champ, with 2 at-large spots. Would've been revised to the top 5 ranked conference champs plus 3 at-large spots.

No byes. First round games on campus of the higher seed. Semi-finals can either be rotated among NY6 bowl sites or held on campus of the higher seed. Neutral site national title game.

I hate the idea of neutral site quarterfinal games. Too much traveling. You're asking fans to travel to 3 different locations that'll be spread all over the country in the span of 3 weeks for teams that make the title game.
Posted by lsusa
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Member since Oct 2005
4643 posts
Posted on 2/20/24 at 2:32 pm to
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Yeah I’m not sure what I’m missing here. There are only 4 major conferences They are going to make sure that at least one G5(6?) team gets in. I have no problem with that. I do have a problem with that.


All of those selling the college football playoff have talked about “fairness” and “settling it on the field” and so forth. You are crowning a champion for a competition with 133 teams. There must be some objective criteria for selecting the teams
to have any validity.

I don’t think picking one team from outside the P4 is going to dilute anything. If anything, it decreases the effects of bias for non-playing reasons.
Posted by Domeskeller
Member since Jun 2020
7868 posts
Posted on 2/20/24 at 2:38 pm to
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What happens if Notre Dame goes 12-0 or 11-1?


Notre Dame is eligible for one of the 7 at-large bids, but it can't get one of the 5 automatic bids because of its independent status. This is significant only in that Notre Dame can not get a first-round bye, which goes to the top 4 conference champions.

If Notre Dame is 12-0 or 11-1, it will probably be a lock for an at-large bid.
This post was edited on 2/20/24 at 2:39 pm
Posted by usc6158
Member since Feb 2008
35430 posts
Posted on 2/20/24 at 2:43 pm to
Off topic, but they really need to rethink having the quarterfinals at neutral sites. A stupid money grab that is going to backfire over time.
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