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re: Credit card debt up more than 50% in 2023, Bidenomics working

Posted on 2/7/24 at 7:54 am to
Posted by iHEARTcorndogs
Island of Misfit Corndogs
Member since Oct 2023
1034 posts
Posted on 2/7/24 at 7:54 am to
It’s fine for people in the top 15%. You aren’t thinking about regular people everywhere who don’t make much. They are getting crushed
Posted by SippyCup
Gulf Coast
Member since Sep 2008
6163 posts
Posted on 2/7/24 at 7:55 am to
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So consumer credit card debt is up 3% since pre-Covid levels and household wealth is at an all-time high.


100% due to the rise in home values.

Keep ignoring the facts of why the economy is "soaring" and stick with the progressive narrative. I'm sure you will have an excuse when it all blows up.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
263330 posts
Posted on 2/7/24 at 7:55 am to
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household wealth is at an all-time high



lol.. I wonder why. Adding trillions into the economy will do such, for half the population, temporarily.

Bubbles exist, this is a massive one.
Posted by fjlee90
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2016
7867 posts
Posted on 2/7/24 at 7:56 am to
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Household wealth at an all time high Stock market at record highs Home value up 50% or more since pre-Covid Record unemployment Highest wages ever


Household wealth is at the highest of all time. This in no way accounts for purchasing power that was lost over the past 3 years. Go on ahead and lop off about 17% of that number.

Stock market is doing great. Glad to see the wealthy get wealthier. Bottom up and middle out, am I right?

Home values are up. As are interest rates. Mortgage applications are down because these artificially inflated home values are barring lower earners from entering the market… the single easiest market to generate wealth and security. New builds are down.

Unemployment in 75% of states is up, that includes large states like California and New York. The state numbers are significantly higher than the feds numbers. They’re lying to you bud.

Highest nominal wages, correct. Adjust that for inflation, wages have decreased over the last 3 years.

Take your propaganda somewhere that people can’t critically think.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
263330 posts
Posted on 2/7/24 at 7:57 am to
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Highest nominal wages, correct. Adjust that for inflation, wages have decreased over the last 3 years.

Take your propaganda somewhere that people can’t critically think.


The Potato actually has defenders. This surprised me.
Posted by HailToTheChiz
Back in Auburn
Member since Aug 2010
49194 posts
Posted on 2/7/24 at 7:58 am to
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was told the economy is awesome.


Yeah all that consumer spending is happening alright. Just not getting paid from credit
Posted by bluestem75
Dallas, TX
Member since Oct 2007
3299 posts
Posted on 2/7/24 at 8:02 am to
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Not a single first hand account of how this economy has made a person worse off than pre-Covid.


Dude.

Have you been to the grocery store lately?

Home value going up means it’s harder to buy a house. It also means property taxes go up.

The apartment I leased through 2008 has tripled in rent over the last 15 years. Salaries have not. I know mine hasn’t. Sure, wages are up, but they are not outpacing the cost of living.

Our grocery bill has doubled over the last two years. My 2% return at Costco was 50% higher than the year before and that includes them cutting gas as a means to earn cash back.

If you’re not being sarcastic, your analysis is woefully incomplete.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
96902 posts
Posted on 2/7/24 at 8:04 am to
Not even just inflation…

A lot of people are worse off income-wise since Covid because so many jobs evaporated overnight and getting a comparable one hasn’t always been possible.



My wife got laid off in Covid and, when she did get a job, it was for significantly less than what she made before.
Posted by Motownsix
Boise
Member since Oct 2022
1982 posts
Posted on 2/7/24 at 8:06 am to
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Home values are up. As are interest rates. Mortgage applications are down because these artificially inflated home values are barring lower earners from entering the market


The rate of homeownership in the USA has changed very little in the past 55 years.
Posted by Motownsix
Boise
Member since Oct 2022
1982 posts
Posted on 2/7/24 at 8:13 am to
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lol.. I wonder why. Adding trillions into the economy will do such, for half the population, temporarily. Bubbles exist, this is a massive one


So you agree that economy is great, but you claim it is a temporary transitory bubble based on Covid cash that is about to burst.


We need to get you five minutes on a cnbc type of platform because everyone involved in finance for a living could use the entertainment. Love it.
Posted by ynlvr
Rocket City
Member since Feb 2009
4614 posts
Posted on 2/7/24 at 8:17 am to
Posted by ronricks
Member since Mar 2021
7349 posts
Posted on 2/7/24 at 8:19 am to
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American economic crisis looming is catastrophic


Been hearing this since 2015. Hasn't happened. Maybe one day you will be right
Posted by Motownsix
Boise
Member since Oct 2022
1982 posts
Posted on 2/7/24 at 8:21 am to
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Unemployment in 75% of states is up, that includes large states like California and New York. The state numbers are significantly higher than the feds numbers. They’re lying to you bud


Unemployment is up in 75% of the states compared to when? Are they still not at decade lows?
Who is lying to me? The BLS numbers?
Once you start claiming that government numbers are faked for political reasons or inaccurate because of ineptitude people stop taking you seriously. One thing the government is really good at is data collection. The egg heads in these departments have no political motivation. Sure politicians attempt to cherry pick the data for their narrative but it doesn’t mean the data isn’t real.
Posted by minister of truth
Somewhere new for 6-12 months
Member since May 2022
1212 posts
Posted on 2/7/24 at 8:22 am to
I’m sure Trump will be blamed
Posted by TerryDawg03
The Deep South
Member since Dec 2012
15931 posts
Posted on 2/7/24 at 8:24 am to
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total consumer debt swelled to $17.5 trillion


Total consumer debt amounts to half of the national debt. This house of cards can’t hold up.
Posted by Warboo
Enterprise Alabama
Member since Sep 2018
2561 posts
Posted on 2/7/24 at 8:24 am to
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So you agree that economy is great, but you claim it is a temporary transitory bubble based on Covid cash that is about to burst.


We need to get you five minutes on a cnbc type of platform because everyone involved in finance for a living could use the entertainment. Love it.





Economics for dummies is a great book for people that have no clue about economics. I suggest you purchase it now as it is obvious that you have no idea.
Posted by Gifman
Member since Jan 2021
9851 posts
Posted on 2/7/24 at 8:25 am to
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One thing the government is really good at is data collection.


Not when each administration has an agenda. You actually trust presidential administrations not to doctor numbers?
How about the easter bunny?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
263330 posts
Posted on 2/7/24 at 8:27 am to
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So you agree that economy is great,


Absolutely not. We are practicing MMT. Big debt in times of plenty.
Posted by Warboo
Enterprise Alabama
Member since Sep 2018
2561 posts
Posted on 2/7/24 at 8:27 am to
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Once you start claiming that government numbers are faked for political reasons or inaccurate because of ineptitude people stop taking you seriously.


Dude anyone that would type this is "not takin seriously". I have seen a lot of people here that do not understand economics. You are the poster child for it.
Posted by RiverCityTider
Jacksonville, Florida
Member since Oct 2008
4764 posts
Posted on 2/7/24 at 8:29 am to
The sociopaths in a good spot right now can't see the forest for their landscaping.

If your disposable income is 10x that of another, a doubling of food pricing is just a minor irritant to you. The other guy is in trouble.

But every cancer starts small. The "I feel great" types will see that in due time.
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