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re: President Nixon warns against the “Media Elitist Complex”
Posted on 2/6/24 at 8:00 am to Mike da Tigah
Posted on 2/6/24 at 8:00 am to Mike da Tigah
I didn't say that LBJ was any better. They are both responsible for continuing a war that we had no chance of winning. Nixon was dirty and vindictive to any who opposed him. Even the ones in he perceived as a threat that wasn't. He may have done some good things while in office but as a man he was evil.
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Posted on 2/6/24 at 8:19 am to Cool Hand Luke
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Nixon was dirty and vindictive to any who opposed him.
I believe LBJ was THE most manipulative and vindictive to hold the office. And though he did not pull the trigger I do believe he was aware of machinations afoot to assassinate his predecessor JFK.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 8:21 am to ynlvr
i think the coverage of nixon by dan rather was when i started hating dan rather and cbs news.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 8:22 am to Mike da Tigah
My early impressions of Nixon were indeed framed by the "Media Elitist Complex". I'd always thought Watergate made him the most corrupt president of all time. Knowing what I know now, it was child's play.
The celebratory portrayal of anti-war protests through media, pop culture, and education always made me think, erroneously, that Nixon was largely responsible for Vietnam and a very unpopular president.
I was a bit shocked when I first learned on my own that he was actually RE-elected in a landslide election. Watergate was really about media sensationalism being used as a political weapon to take down a popular president. And anti-war protests only represented a youthful minority while Nixon's ending of LBJ's awful war, the way he did, deserved a lot more praise.
Learning that Nixon was actually a good president was part of my enlightenment as to just how slanted and corrupt our national media and education complexes are.
As you said, watching them go from simply slanted to outright propagandists that we have today has been difficult and heartbreaking to witness. Their damage to this country is immeasurable.
The celebratory portrayal of anti-war protests through media, pop culture, and education always made me think, erroneously, that Nixon was largely responsible for Vietnam and a very unpopular president.
I was a bit shocked when I first learned on my own that he was actually RE-elected in a landslide election. Watergate was really about media sensationalism being used as a political weapon to take down a popular president. And anti-war protests only represented a youthful minority while Nixon's ending of LBJ's awful war, the way he did, deserved a lot more praise.
Learning that Nixon was actually a good president was part of my enlightenment as to just how slanted and corrupt our national media and education complexes are.
As you said, watching them go from simply slanted to outright propagandists that we have today has been difficult and heartbreaking to witness. Their damage to this country is immeasurable.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 8:27 am to Cool Hand Luke
Nixon ended the war and the draft. I was 17 when Nixon ended the war, and was very grateful not to be drafted and sent to that meat-grinder.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 8:42 am to Cool Hand Luke
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I didn't say that LBJ was any better.
No, he was far worse, and yet no condemnation of him from the media will you hear. There’s a very good reason why, and it’s because the media IS the strong arm of the Democrat Party, attaining and retaining power from America’s trusted source for truth, the national news media who hides under the guise of an unbiased first amendment protected source just looking for truth, when in reality, the subversive right hand of the Democrat party, without which the Democrat party could not and would not have power at all if they were to have to stand on their own record by themselves.
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They are both responsible for continuing a war that we had no chance of winning
A war that was started by LBJ with no real objective in place, or plan of egress once stated objective was accomplished, and Vietnam is an example of going half assed into a war without a plan and without the men and material to both take and hold territory. If you’re going to go to war, then go to WIN IT, not play games with American lives. Otherwise, just don’t embark upon it.
Nixon was elected on the basis of him getting us OUT of the Vietnam quagmire that LBJ got us in, and that he did through bombing the commies back to the negotiating table. He did exactly what he was elected to do, but somehow gets the entity of the blame for the Vietnam war. Explain that to anyone with a functioning brain how that makes any good sense whatsoever. I think I’ve explained why it does not, and where that all stems from.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 9:05 am to HubbaBubba
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standard for presidents but at that time it was a 3 course plater for news media.
but only served on occasions where it can influence the 'right people'
Essentially why we have a "Deep State" now mostly identified.
The obvious attacks on Trump, as the "outsider" were so partisan, it has opened the eyes, of enough of the public, that the MIC/DC blob cannot hide anymore.
I was unaware of a Uniparty, until 20+ yards ago reading this board. That political theory has rang true, and fits most of the political BS from WWII onward.
The MIC/DC has been running the show behind the scenes since the end of WW2, with control/cooperation with the MSM and will not allow a threat to their existence.
At first this was to protect the west from communism, but eventually, to preserve itself as the power that would decide & control the course of the west.
However, between the existence of the internet, and the distrust that has been growing for many years, they have overplayed their hand.
The constant attacks on Trump from all angles have galvanized a resistance against them, and the alternative media is now able to spread stories outside of approved control with enough eyes to make a difference.
The pendulum is swinging back. Let us hope that enough normies wake up, that we can avoid civil war.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 9:07 am to Mike da Tigah
Nixon carried every single U.S. state in the 1972 election (except for MA).
Posted on 2/6/24 at 9:09 am to beachdude
Nixon's reelection was my first time voting for president. I have no regrets.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 9:16 am to Mike da Tigah
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Nixon was elected on the basis of him getting us OUT of the Vietnam quagmire that LBJ got us in, and that he did through bombing the commies back to the negotiating table. He did exactly what he was elected to do
Which is why he won in such a landslide when he was up for re-election in 1972. He was the last presidential candidate to win 60% or more of the popular vote.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 9:22 am to themunch
Go learn your history,Kennedy wanted out of Veitnam
and the day after he was killed LBJ escalated it.Johnson
was the biggest POS ever as president.Nixon had nothing to
do with managemrnt of that war.He worked from day 1 to get out of there and try to save the USAs face.
Some people just sound like brain dead demacratic sheep.
BY the way LBJs wife owned a shipping company that made
millions shipping arms to Vietnam.Thats a fact.
and the day after he was killed LBJ escalated it.Johnson
was the biggest POS ever as president.Nixon had nothing to
do with managemrnt of that war.He worked from day 1 to get out of there and try to save the USAs face.
Some people just sound like brain dead demacratic sheep.
BY the way LBJs wife owned a shipping company that made
millions shipping arms to Vietnam.Thats a fact.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 9:59 am to Mike da Tigah
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Nixon
Can you imagine if Joe Biden issued this executive order...?
Executive Order 11615
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...got America out of Vietnam from a point of strength
Oh my fricking god.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 10:12 am to WildTchoupitoulas
That’s 1975, evacuating the country during the fall of Saigon when the South was routed, not the end of American involvement in the war. The war ended in 73. War is messy long after hostilities come to a conclusion. Ask Cambodia what the cost of war is. Millions paid the price for it at the hands of Pol Pot. Should we blame that on Nixon, or perhaps LBJ, or America leaving them to their own fate because we failed to see it through to its conclusion, or because we simply never had a plan from the very beginning of LBJ’s need for a war record as President?
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Posted on 2/6/24 at 10:15 am to Mike da Tigah
Nixon was a brilliant mind. One of the smartest men to ever hold the office. But he was incredibly paranoid and hated the media.. for good reason. But he could never overcome his paranoia.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 10:27 am to Mike da Tigah
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I am equally turned off to his getting rid of the gold standard
I am curious as to how much he felt as though his hands were tied here. During the Johnson era, European countries noticed the crazy spending (welfare spending, Vietnam and space race) and lack of increased taxing to compensate. They began to ask for gold for their dollars. Agreed though that leaving the Bretton Woods agreement and switching over to the petro-dollar really sucked.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 10:47 am to Mike da Tigah
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That’s 1975, evacuating the country during the fall of Saigon when the South was routed, not the end of American involvement in the war.
So you were wrong about...?
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...got America out of Vietnam from a point of strength
That doesn't look too strong to me.
Not to mention, Nixon extended the war by interfering in the Paris Peace Accords, so that the Democratic president couldn't take credit for getting out of Vietnam. Sound familiar?
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Ask Cambodia what the cost of war is. Millions paid the price for it at the hands of Pol Pot. Should we blame that on Nixon, or perhaps LBJ
Pol Pot would've never taken over if the CIA hadn't overthrown the Cambodian government in 1969-70. So, Nixon.
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we simply never had a plan from the very beginning
This.
Don't confuse me with someone else, LBJ and Nixon were the two worst US presidents since the turn of the 20th century. Both were worse than either Carter, Bush II or Obama.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 10:52 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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That’s 1975, evacuating the country during the fall of Saigon when the South was routed, not the end of American involvement in the war.
So you were wrong about...?
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...got America out of Vietnam from a point of strength
America WAS OUT of country in 1973. Out and home. That was the residual citizens still in country from the embassy and supporting staff. AND, Nixon wasn’t even President in 1975. Gerald Ford was. The people scrambling to get on choppers and planes were the Vietnamese people loyal to America and who were left to their own fate, and if you’re going to put that on Nixon and not America on a whole who cried to get out, then you have no honestly whatsoever.
This post was edited on 2/6/24 at 10:56 am
Posted on 2/6/24 at 10:53 am to Cool Hand Luke
Posted on 2/6/24 at 11:05 am to Mike da Tigah
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America WAS OUT of country in 1973. Out and home.
I'm still waiting for you to explain your "point of strength" comment.
And you still haven't commented on the Nixon Shock.
Posted on 2/6/24 at 11:05 am to Deplorableinohio
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Nixon was the second president taken out by the deep state (read Geoff Shepard). The first was Kennedy. And we know what they did, and continue to do, to Trump.
Yep.
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