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re: Matt Zenitz reporting Sloan and Hankton as co-OCs
Posted on 1/23/24 at 9:47 am to Bjorn Cyborg
Posted on 1/23/24 at 9:47 am to Bjorn Cyborg
That one guy on here that melts every thread about Sloan as OC is gonna be pissed
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Posted on 1/23/24 at 9:50 am to BMoney
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With those two as interim co-OCs for LSU’s 35-31 bowl win over Wisconsin, the Tigers posted 492 yards of total offense.
Great. Fantastic.
Now what’s Sloans numbers at LATech and Hankton’s numbers…..oh wait, he has ZERO OC experience anywhere, let alone the SEC.
Thus board would be in nuclear melt down if someone started a thread and said…
My sources say the the next OC to be named will be a tandem. One was once a middle of the road CUSA OC in the only chance he got and one has never called plays at all.
What a terrible decision.
Posted on 1/23/24 at 9:52 am to Prominentwon
So what is the reason we didn't go out and hire one of the best OCs in the country?
Posted on 1/23/24 at 9:53 am to Prominentwon
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Hankton’s numbers…..oh wait, he has ZERO OC experience anywhere, let alone the SEC.
Your first experience with a co-coordinator? You realize it's just for money and a title, correct? Hankton won't be doing anything different than he was already doing.
Posted on 1/23/24 at 9:53 am to SlowFlowPro
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2024 is likely going to be a rough year, regardless, so if it doesn't work out we can go in a different direction for 2025.
"rough" is relative. Is the 2024 offense going to be a good as 2023? No. But that would have likely been the case with ANY OC. Is an offense ranked in the top 25 considered "rough"? What about top 40?
I think something in the top 30 is a reasonable goal. LSU may have one of their best OLs in a while. Nussmeier has ability. It's a matter of how quickly can he put everything together. The running game should be solid (maybe not spectacular). WR will be the biggest drop off. But some of that slack could be taken up by improved TE play.
Can you get something like the 2020 offense? It wasn't close to the 2019 offense. But it was No. 33 in total offense despite the loss of a Heisman winning QB, 2 (future) all-pro WRs, multiple offensive linemen and an all SEC RB (CEH). Plus, that offense had to play true freshmen QBs for most of the season. If not for the defense being an absolute disaster that offense was probably good enough to win more than 5 games (LSU probably goes 8-2 with a remotely competent defense)
We can only assume the defense will be significantly improved if, for no other reason, it can't get much worse. With that improvement, can the offense be good enough to win 9 games?
Posted on 1/23/24 at 9:54 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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but I don't see the offense having any problems at all
I mean Nuss has some experience but he's still a first year starter missing two really good WRs. Now hopefully a better running game helps cover some of that ground.
Posted on 1/23/24 at 9:55 am to BilJ
Our OL *should* be really solid as well
Posted on 1/23/24 at 9:56 am to BilJ
Nuss will be a top 5 QB in the SEC. Maybe top 3.
Posted on 1/23/24 at 9:56 am to Prominentwon
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My sources say the the next OC to be named will be a tandem. One was once a middle of the road CUSA OC in the only chance he got and one has never called plays at all.
If you haven’t learned anything over the years let me let you in on a little secret. “Players over plays”. You have to have the talent, and the two new co-oc’s have been bringing in the talent. What has Belichek looked like without Brady? What has Payton looked like without Brees? What did Saban look like with Milroe?
Do the play calls help, absolutely, but if you have the Jimmy’s and Joe’s everything else comes together just nicely.
It’s Brian Kelly’s offense anyway.
This post was edited on 1/23/24 at 10:00 am
Posted on 1/23/24 at 9:59 am to The Pirate King
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So what is the reason we didn't go out and hire one of the best OCs in the country?
I’m not in the football office. I don’t know. My comments are based off the information at hand. Just because they called a good game against Wisconsin doesn’t mean anything. One game vs a defense that had no idea what to scheme against.
Posted on 1/23/24 at 10:01 am to Prominentwon
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One game vs a defense that had no idea what to scheme against.
You think LSU installed a new offense in two weeks? What new passing concepts did LSU use in the game?
It was the same 2023 offense minus the run threat from the qb. There was film out there on Nussmeir at LSU.
This post was edited on 1/23/24 at 10:04 am
Posted on 1/23/24 at 10:01 am to Choupique19
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If you haven’t learned anything over the years let me let you in on a little secret. “Players over plays”. You have to have the talent, and the two new co-oc’s have been bringing in the talent.
You and I both know that, according to 95% of sports message boards and social media across the internet, it’s ALWAYS the coaches and NEVER the players. Let’s not turn this around to try to sugar coat this.
Posted on 1/23/24 at 10:03 am to Prominentwon
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according to 95% of sports message boards and social media across the internet
This isn't real life
Posted on 1/23/24 at 10:03 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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Your first experience with a co-coordinator? You realize it's just for money and a title, correct?
What happened the last time elevated a couple guys with mediocre history and no experience to Co- coordinators?
Posted on 1/23/24 at 10:03 am to The Pirate King
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So what is the reason we didn't go out and hire one of the best OCs in the country?
Because this is Brian Kelly’s offense. Denbrock’s primary attribute was his familiarity with Kelly and his system. He did a good job at Cincinnati, but I don’t believe many people would have characterized him as one of the top OCs in the country at that point in time. It’s not that different from the DCs under Kirby Smart. Lanning and Schumann had no coordinator experience. They were just protégés of Smart and Saban.
Posted on 1/23/24 at 10:06 am to Prominentwon
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What happened the last time elevated a couple guys with mediocre history and no experience to Co- coordinators?
The two situations aren’t comparable. One had Les Miles at head coach who left them on their own on their side of the bal. This situation has Brian Kelly lurking over their shoulders dropping advice.
This post was edited on 1/23/24 at 10:07 am
Posted on 1/23/24 at 10:07 am to Prominentwon
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What happened the last time elevated a couple guys with mediocre history and no experience to Co- coordinators?
Are you going all the way back to Malleveto? That's quite a reach. Since then we have had coaches with no experience excel, coaches with lots of experience fail and everything in-between.
There is no proven formula.
Posted on 1/23/24 at 10:08 am to Prominentwon
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Thus board would be in nuclear melt down if someone started a thread and said…
My sources say the the next OC to be named will be a tandem. One was once a middle of the road CUSA OC in the only chance he got and one has never called plays at all.
What a terrible decision.
As if they haven't been involved with the offense at LSU with BK for the last 2 years. Otherwise sure, your example is the same thing - it's the same as hiring a couple rando's.
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I’m not in the football office. I don’t know. My comments are based off the information at hand. Just because they called a good game against Wisconsin doesn’t mean anything. One game vs a defense that had no idea what to scheme against.
Next time stop after "I don't know".
This post was edited on 1/23/24 at 10:11 am
Posted on 1/23/24 at 10:27 am to BMoney
Hope Sloan stays QB coach also
Posted on 1/23/24 at 10:30 am to Homer Pelican
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Hope Sloan stays QB coach also
Why wouldn't he? The coordinators coach a position as well.
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