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Why didn’t Kelly put this effort into the defensive staff from day 1?
Posted on 1/12/24 at 10:30 pm
Posted on 1/12/24 at 10:30 pm
Steeples and Cooks? He knew Cooks wasn’t ND or OU-quality. He suddenly became LSU/SEC quality? Steeples, great guy, but first major position job is CB at LSU?
Pay Matt House $2m and make him a DC with his lack of success at this level as a DC and having not coordinated at all for several years?
He mailed in the first go round
Total redemption this time, but the money and time wasted with the first round make no sense given his reputation for detail.
Pay Matt House $2m and make him a DC with his lack of success at this level as a DC and having not coordinated at all for several years?
He mailed in the first go round
Total redemption this time, but the money and time wasted with the first round make no sense given his reputation for detail.
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Posted on 1/12/24 at 10:34 pm to IsraelJones
I feel the same way, thus I don’t have an answer. As highly regarded as Kelly is coaching-wise, it’s hard for me to understand how he got caught with his pants down this season the way he did. I mean this was a national championship and beyond - on offense - yet we fielded that joke of a defense. I’m still scratching my head.
Posted on 1/12/24 at 10:36 pm to IsraelJones
He thought he had the good staff. It didn't pan out.
Posted on 1/12/24 at 10:40 pm to IsraelJones
I mean you're gonna get downvoted to hell but you're definitley not that far off.
Kelly made some questionable hires and I think everyone felt that way right off the bat. I don't remember Denbrock or House getting anyone around here excited.
Kelly is a great coach. He might not be the best at picking the staff around him. He's had some good ones but seems like throughout his career he's had some bad ones as well. And is big on recycling guys he's already worked with.
My guess is others stepped in this time around and had more of a say for who we go after. I'm sure Kelly had the final say but I believe SW may have nudged him in the direction of guys with LA roots.
Whatever the case may be, we've got the right coaches in the right places now.
It's gonna get fun.
Kelly made some questionable hires and I think everyone felt that way right off the bat. I don't remember Denbrock or House getting anyone around here excited.
Kelly is a great coach. He might not be the best at picking the staff around him. He's had some good ones but seems like throughout his career he's had some bad ones as well. And is big on recycling guys he's already worked with.
My guess is others stepped in this time around and had more of a say for who we go after. I'm sure Kelly had the final say but I believe SW may have nudged him in the direction of guys with LA roots.
Whatever the case may be, we've got the right coaches in the right places now.
It's gonna get fun.
Posted on 1/12/24 at 10:42 pm to IsraelJones
I think his philosophy at first was to have coordinators do the lion's share of coaching, scheming, etc. but not really recruiting, and then he hired what he thought was a good recruiting staff.
He was wrong.
Now it seems that he realizes the level of recruiting that will be required here and is hiring accordingly.
He was wrong.
Now it seems that he realizes the level of recruiting that will be required here and is hiring accordingly.
Posted on 1/12/24 at 11:01 pm to IsraelJones
I didn’t love the secondary hires. Cooks had a pretty dicey track record and Steeples was total flyer.
Otherwise, I think his biggest mistake was promoting an analyst last year rather than hiring a real special team coach.
Remember, a lot of shite that happened was bad luck. He hired a solid DLine coach and lost him late in the process year 2. We know what happened to his successors health. I don’t think DLine was a talent issue this year. They had enough quality bodies, but then Wingo got hurt, Mason wasn’t the same coming off the knee injury and clearly was weaker in the lower body, etc.
Otherwise, I think his biggest mistake was promoting an analyst last year rather than hiring a real special team coach.
Remember, a lot of shite that happened was bad luck. He hired a solid DLine coach and lost him late in the process year 2. We know what happened to his successors health. I don’t think DLine was a talent issue this year. They had enough quality bodies, but then Wingo got hurt, Mason wasn’t the same coming off the knee injury and clearly was weaker in the lower body, etc.
Posted on 1/12/24 at 11:07 pm to IsraelJones
BK knows that if these hires don't work out, he is gone in 3 years.
It's no secret that I absolutely hate BK. Having said that, dumping the bucket on defense was definitely the right move & these hires are "Damn Strong"! I'm not saying he has won me over, but I'm certainly impressed with the moves he has made this off season so far.
It's no secret that I absolutely hate BK. Having said that, dumping the bucket on defense was definitely the right move & these hires are "Damn Strong"! I'm not saying he has won me over, but I'm certainly impressed with the moves he has made this off season so far.
This post was edited on 1/12/24 at 11:12 pm
Posted on 1/12/24 at 11:12 pm to IsraelJones
He made a mistake. He has seen what he needs and has evolved . He realized that creating a defense will be huge and will be a very reachable goal here at LSU. We are in the hands of a great coach. People can bitch all they want. They are fools.
Posted on 1/12/24 at 11:55 pm to IsraelJones
Agree on cooks.
Steeples was DB coach at Mizzou and was decent on paper with a good recruiting track record
House was a good hire on paper. Great last season at Kentucky. Top 10 defense...AT KENTUCKY. Coached LBs at the very highest level...Superbowl.
It didn't work in hindsight. But It wasn't bad at the time
Steeples was DB coach at Mizzou and was decent on paper with a good recruiting track record
House was a good hire on paper. Great last season at Kentucky. Top 10 defense...AT KENTUCKY. Coached LBs at the very highest level...Superbowl.
It didn't work in hindsight. But It wasn't bad at the time
Posted on 1/13/24 at 12:19 am to IsraelJones
When he came here it was late in the process and no one from ND followed. He had to hire who he could.
Posted on 1/13/24 at 12:36 am to IsraelJones
Not sure. But glad he's made changes once he saw how things shook out.
Posted on 1/13/24 at 1:48 am to IsraelJones
you're getting downvoted but you're right. he nailed the offensive staff with solidified coaches but on defense he hired a bunch of question marks and unproven guys. weird
Posted on 1/13/24 at 2:46 am to IsraelJones
What a dumb question smh
Posted on 1/13/24 at 5:19 am to IsraelJones
He whiffed the first go round on defensive coaches, and by his corrective actions, seems to get that he needed to up the quality from the standpoint of on field coaching and recruiting.
Posted on 1/13/24 at 6:38 am to IsraelJones
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Steeples and Cooks? He knew Cooks wasn’t ND or OU-quality. He suddenly became LSU/SEC quality? Steeples, great guy, but first major position job is CB at LSU? Pay Matt House $2m and make him a DC with his lack of success at this level as a DC and having not coordinated at all for several years? He mailed in the first go round Total redemption this time, but the money and time wasted with the first round make no sense given his reputation for detail.
No one is saying those were good hires. Cain was decent. House had an SEC track record and was supposedly recommended to him by Brad White, who he approached first. Cooks and Steeples were always puzzling.
But here’s the thing you are missing- time. When a coach takes a new job now, they are under the gun to get at least a shell of the staff assembled to finish ESD recruiting. There is no time, so many either try to pull from their existing staffs or stick with guys they know, have some relationship with, or are recommended to them by someone they trust.
Kelly’s situation showing up here was nothing like the process we just went through. He took his time this time because he could. It’s a totally different ballgame when you are an incumbent coach.
Also think about the situations of the assistants. Kelly would have needed Baker and Peeples right away to begin recruiting two years ago. If they were in the same position as this season, getting ready for their current team to play in a NY6 Bowl, which is a huge thing for Mizzou, do you think they would have left? Maybe, but it’s not a sure thing. Being able to wait until after the bowls makes it easier for coaches to make decisions without feeling like they are abandoning their teams.
I’m not saying Kelly shouldn’t have done better the first time around or doesn’t deserve criticism for the defensive staff not working. However, I just don’t think the situations line up at all.
This post was edited on 1/13/24 at 6:46 am
Posted on 1/13/24 at 6:58 am to IsraelJones
In the game of why, you leave out the most important events. D-line coach leaves for the NFL in late Feb. The hired replacement has a stroke weeks before fall camp. The starting safety, and arguably the best secondary leader is hospitalized with a brain tumor. The portal defensive backs that were brought in for this year, that were all highly touted coming in, were absolute duds and terrible for the locker room. And multiple injuries followed, as is somewhat normal, but the timing just added to the chaos. These are not excuses. They are reasons. And we still won 9 regular season games and a bowl game.
So don’t give us the whining about how CBK shoulda done something beforehand.
Ridiculous!
So don’t give us the whining about how CBK shoulda done something beforehand.
Ridiculous!
Posted on 1/13/24 at 8:37 am to IsraelJones
quote:
Why didn’t Kelly put this effort into the defensive staff from day 1?
But, he did put forth the effort and brought in a guy with high praises from none other than the vaunted Honey Badger.
It didn't pan out...
Posted on 1/13/24 at 3:54 pm to IsraelJones
Because he is a retard. This is the equivalent of a CEO letting a director go then in a year bringing them back on as a VP.
This post was edited on 1/13/24 at 3:55 pm
Posted on 1/13/24 at 4:00 pm to IsraelJones
What exactly is “Notre Dame quality” at this point? They haven’t won shite in over 35 years 
Posted on 1/13/24 at 4:04 pm to IsraelJones
Some hires work out, some don’t. It happens. This was the case, and will be the case for plenty of teams in the future, including LSU.
It comes with the job… when a hire isn’t working out, you make changes.
FWIW, the House hire was generally well-received. It was actually the Denbrock hire that made people scratch their heads and question. Ironic how it works out sometimes. Coaching hires aren’t easy… sometimes they work out, sometimes they don’t. There are SOOO many variables involved.
It comes with the job… when a hire isn’t working out, you make changes.
FWIW, the House hire was generally well-received. It was actually the Denbrock hire that made people scratch their heads and question. Ironic how it works out sometimes. Coaching hires aren’t easy… sometimes they work out, sometimes they don’t. There are SOOO many variables involved.
This post was edited on 1/13/24 at 4:08 pm
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