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re: What changed political views and the animosity of parties so much in 2000?
Posted on 1/10/24 at 7:14 am to rpg37
Posted on 1/10/24 at 7:14 am to rpg37
I’ve observed politics for decades. My first presidential vote was for Richard Nixon. When I was a teenager, I was a member of local Young Republicans for Goldwater.
I noticed that “conservative”, as defined by this board, shifted significantly rightward in the early 2000’s. It seemed to coincide, roughly with the Obama campaign.
Shortly thereafter, terms such as “GOPe” appeared, and “RiNO” was used as a slight against any moderate Republican.
The internet became fertile ground for an aggressive, extreme right wing greivance mill and conspiracy
Breeding ground.
I noticed that “conservative”, as defined by this board, shifted significantly rightward in the early 2000’s. It seemed to coincide, roughly with the Obama campaign.
Shortly thereafter, terms such as “GOPe” appeared, and “RiNO” was used as a slight against any moderate Republican.
The internet became fertile ground for an aggressive, extreme right wing greivance mill and conspiracy
Breeding ground.
Posted on 1/10/24 at 7:29 am to ShermanTxTiger
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I am a staunch conservative but... Gore got screwed in 2000 and the left never forgot it. Clinton was the democrats version of Reagan. When his successor was screwed, that was it. Ballot screw ups (mainly people voting for Pat Buchanan by accident) gave Bush the win. The left never forgot this. The GOP didn't cheat but the Dems were screwed in 2000. Not my president was born in 2000.
I’m not going to argue against him getting screwed in Florida but let’s not pretend like there wasn’t forms of ballot harvesting, souls to the polls, and other illegalities going on from the other side.
If I can remind you, Broward County never got their results in till after the panhandle closed and always had very late dumps that tended to swing elections at some points.
Broward County has been super efficient since 2019 wen Destantis cut out the BS.
But to the OP, it was 3 things,
- people on the right dropping Bush, which should have lead to him beating Clinton. He was very popular but his “no new taxes” did him in.
-Clinton getting impeached but not removed. I know he lied about something very innocuous and mostly inconsequential, but he lied under oath and all of us would do jail time if we did the same. The left saw it as a witch hunt and the right saw it as democrats in the senate letting him be above the law
-2000 election. Left felt screwed by ballots in Florida, the right felt like the left was cheating and ballot stuffing.
9/11 put a damper on tempers for a bit but by 2008 all of that was remembered.
This post was edited on 1/10/24 at 7:36 am
Posted on 1/10/24 at 7:35 am to rpg37
CCP joined the WTO and started influencing our media in the late 90s.
CCP goal was to destroy the US from within so they corrupted journalists and pushed Marxist ideology while dividing us against ourselves.
CCP goal was to destroy the US from within so they corrupted journalists and pushed Marxist ideology while dividing us against ourselves.
Posted on 1/10/24 at 7:36 am to rpg37
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What changed political views and the animosity of parties so much in 2000?
1. The Iraq War- GWB
2. Barack Obama
Obama was when the MIC made an expansion plan to include leftists and the Uniparty became complete.
Obama is truly the root of all evil.
Posted on 1/10/24 at 7:42 am to rpg37
Impeaching Bill Clinton lit the fuse, then we had a close election in 2000, and then GWB got us in the Iraq War.
Those 3 things set up the irrationality and emotional responses to politics.
Then social media hit mainstream in 2005 or so, which allowed this emotional thinking and in/out group dynamic to spread more quickly than human society was ready to deal with. We've found out that tens of millions of Americans were not ready to live in that world.
Those 3 things set up the irrationality and emotional responses to politics.
Then social media hit mainstream in 2005 or so, which allowed this emotional thinking and in/out group dynamic to spread more quickly than human society was ready to deal with. We've found out that tens of millions of Americans were not ready to live in that world.
Posted on 1/10/24 at 7:44 am to BigJim
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In 1994 the Repubs took control of congress. The first time since...Eisenhower I believe?
Republicans might have won a presidency now and then, but dems ALWAYS controlled the house. But now, Rs were real contenders. No more Ron Reagan, Tip O'Neal nonsense. Rs became the enemy.
You add in what Dems saw as an illegimate president in Bush and that's why the 2000s where the way they were.
This guy gets it.
Posted on 1/10/24 at 7:46 am to RollTide1987
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I think it was the Monica Lewinsky scandal combined with the 2000 Presidential Election results which did it. 9/11 kinda stopped the bleeding but the animosity between the parties was resurrected in the aftermath of the Iraq War during the 2004 Presidential Election
Posted on 1/10/24 at 7:47 am to Bourre
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Marxist switched from economic to racial attacks. It used to be rich vs poor but the communist weren’t getting anywhere with that so they exploited the racial past of America . This pitted white vs black instead of rich vs poor but it’s still the same Marxist ideology of oppressed vs non-oppressed
So you're picking the 50s and 60s?
Posted on 1/10/24 at 7:47 am to BigJim
60 (then 40) years of public education coupled with 40 (then 20) years of biased reporting from MSM and the nascent influence of the internet set the stage.
9/11
Obama
Social Media
Have put it into hyperdrive.
9/11
Obama
Social Media
Have put it into hyperdrive.
Posted on 1/10/24 at 7:50 am to BigJim
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In 1994 the Repubs took control of congress. The first time since...Eisenhower I believe?
Republicans might have won a presidency now and then, but dems ALWAYS controlled the house. But now, Rs were real contenders. No more Ron Reagan, Tip O'Neal nonsense. Rs became the enemy.
Correct. And during the Dem control of the House, you had some very weak GOP leaders (especially Bob Michel) that didn't even put up any sort of fight against McCormack/Albert/O'Neill. Newt coming in really pissed off the Dems since he actually had a pair.
Posted on 1/10/24 at 7:52 am to rpg37
Y2K? Nah, it was the right impeaching Clinton over a bullshite sexual affair no one really cared about. Biggest mistake the right ever made. They knew they had no chance of conviction in the Senate, but they wanted to show how morally superior they were. No one gave a shite and no one has been civil since.
Posted on 1/10/24 at 7:53 am to lsusa
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2008 was the election where the game truly changed, for both sides.
I don't think that's entirely accurate, but if it is, did Obama make it better or worse?
Posted on 1/10/24 at 7:56 am to rpg37
It wasn’t 2000, but around 2004-5. The Iraq war took a turn and the democrats went off a rail. They did a 180 on the war and wanted to charge Bush for war crimes and completely blamed him for the civil war and increasing deaths. Never mind congress authorized the conflict and the UN signed off, too. The media was always liberal, but they went all in too with the rhetoric and showing any protest, no matter the size, to try and sway public opinion.
Posted on 1/10/24 at 7:59 am to Flats
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I don't think that's entirely accurate,
It's not.
The responses you see hyper focused on 2008 just show priming, primarily emotional, to create framing of the issue (often beaten into their heads via echo chamber repetition that's only available due to the internet's explosion after 2005 or so)
Ever since Bush, it's been a cycle of the same memes rotating from each perceived in group to the next. 2008 was when the DEMs re-took the Presidency, so you had all the irrationality of the GWB hate flip to "conservatives" fixated on Obama. That flipped again after 2016, and then again after 2020.
In the big picture, Obama wasn't that big of a deal. Trump wasn't, either (although you'd never know it based on the Left's response).
Posted on 1/10/24 at 8:03 am to VOR
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I noticed that “conservative”, as defined by this board, shifted significantly rightward in the early 2000’s. It seemed to coincide, roughly with the Obama campaign.
Shortly thereafter, terms such as “GOPe” appeared, and “RiNO” was used as a slight against any moderate Republican.
The internet became fertile ground for an aggressive, extreme right wing greivance mill and conspiracy
Breeding ground.
:wrong:
The Tea Party grew out of the backlash against the Wall Street bailouts.
MAGA Nation hates corporate welfare, forever wars, and the surveillance state. They have a lot of common ground with Bernie Bros.
Problem is too many people on the left don't recognize that the uniparty and the establishment are the real enemy, so they fall in line with the DNC.
Posted on 1/10/24 at 8:18 am to rpg37
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Election turnout has not increased and corruption has not decreased. Information is not always balanced.
You can thank the devotees of the Dim/Groomer ideology for this^^^^^. Dims believe every person is required to vote whether that person wanted to vote or not, Dims are some ballot harvesting mutha humpers.
Posted on 1/10/24 at 8:35 am to SlowFlowPro
It started then but I believe it became mainstream in the democrat party in Obama’s 2nd term. In the aftermath of the Occupy Wall Street protest, Marxist realized they weren’t going to reach their goals because America’s middle class didn’t see the rich as oppressors and the poor as oppressed. That was at the end of Ovomits 1st term. He went all in on racial Marxism, pulling the democrat party with him, after his election to his 2nd term.
I bet if you did a study of newspaper and politician buzz words around 2012, you would see the change
I bet if you did a study of newspaper and politician buzz words around 2012, you would see the change
This post was edited on 1/10/24 at 8:37 am
Posted on 1/10/24 at 8:41 am to Bourre
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I bet if you did a study of newspaper and politician buzz words around 2012, you would see the change
How about you do something easier. Look at the last time the Democrats didn't get 75% of the black vote.
I bet you a large amount of money it was WAY before 2012
20 years before, in 1992, it wat 83%
Posted on 1/10/24 at 8:42 am to rpg37
Politics in the United States of America changes forever on November 22, 1963.
It took around 30 years for Americans to fully grasp that change. By that time it was too late.
It took around 30 years for Americans to fully grasp that change. By that time it was too late.
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