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re: True Detective S4 Season Long Thread
Posted on 2/21/24 at 8:51 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 2/21/24 at 8:51 am to SlowFlowPro
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You could tell after 4 they were like "oh this isn't going to go well" but kept sucking up to Lopez.
i genuinely would like to know what people enjoyed about this season, to the people who are claiming this season was good.
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Posted on 2/21/24 at 9:00 am to hubertcumberdale
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i genuinely would like to know what people enjoyed about this season,
It's one of those things where we pretend that since the leads are female, it's some empowerment scenario, even though the show really presents the women terribly and makes them look like incompetent buffoons who are terrible people who are also bad at their jobs.
I have also seen a vein of people celebrating "they answered all the questions!", which is somewhat insane because (1) they did not and (2) most of the major mysteries were answered with the most incomprehensibly stupid bullshite ever put on TV.
Posted on 2/21/24 at 9:03 am to SlowFlowPro
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It's one of those things where we pretend that since the leads are female, it's some empowerment scenario, even though the show really presents the women terribly and makes them look like incompetent buffoons who are terrible people who are also bad at their jobs.
imo it was so bad that the entire series set women back 50 years
Posted on 2/21/24 at 9:14 am to SlowFlowPro
Foster was very good in her role.
Like most of True Detective, it’s mostly about mood, tone and personalities than it is about specific plot detail.
Like most of True Detective, it’s mostly about mood, tone and personalities than it is about specific plot detail.
Posted on 2/21/24 at 9:19 am to SlowFlowPro
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I have also seen a vein of people celebrating "they answered all the questions!", which is somewhat insane because (1) they did not and (2) most of the major mysteries were answered with the most incomprehensibly stupid bullshite ever put on TV.
and the ones that werent answered, i think we're supposed to shrug and say "that's just Ennis, where weird shite happens"
i looked this phenomenon up on TVtropes, because it seems like sort of a quasi-deus ex machina, but it's not quite that. the concepts/tropes i landed on are "applied phlebotinum" and "handwavium", but of which i think adequately describe what 90% of this season has been. virtually every weird, unexplained plot hole or unanswered question is seriously just Eskimo Girl Magic or Ennis Magic. it's so fricking weak. sure, season 1 blurred the lines between the natural and the supernatural, but there were (at least to my recollection) zero questions or mysteries that landed on a supernatural explanation - everything ultimately had a solution based in the real world.
Posted on 2/21/24 at 9:22 am to Sam Quint
if anyone wants a random sidequest:
Applied Phlebotinum
Phlebotinum is the versatile substance that may be rubbed on anything to cause an effect needed by a plot. Examples include but are not limited to: nanotechnology, magic crystal emanations, pixie dust, and Green Rocks.
In essence, it is plot fuel. Without it, the story would grind to an abrupt halt. It's the science that powers the FTL drive on the starship so the characters can get somewhere, it's the magic that hatches the Egg MacGuffin so the protagonist can save an endangered species, it's the strange things unknown to science or magic that do basically anything except those limits and dangers required by the plot. The reader does not know how Phlebotinum would work and the creators hope nobody cares. In essence, it's a plot device that abstracts away the problem of hard science.
According to Joss Whedon, during the DVD commentary for the pilot episode of Buffy the Vampire Slayer, the term "phlebotinum" originates from Buffy writer (and Angel co-creator) David Greenwalt's sudden outburst: "Don't touch the phlebotinum!" apropos of nothing.Fun Fact
If the phlebotinum in question is simply a physical substance with unusual/extreme properties you are almost certainly dealing with the element Unobtainium.
LINK
Applied Phlebotinum
Phlebotinum is the versatile substance that may be rubbed on anything to cause an effect needed by a plot. Examples include but are not limited to: nanotechnology, magic crystal emanations, pixie dust, and Green Rocks.
In essence, it is plot fuel. Without it, the story would grind to an abrupt halt. It's the science that powers the FTL drive on the starship so the characters can get somewhere, it's the magic that hatches the Egg MacGuffin so the protagonist can save an endangered species, it's the strange things unknown to science or magic that do basically anything except those limits and dangers required by the plot. The reader does not know how Phlebotinum would work and the creators hope nobody cares. In essence, it's a plot device that abstracts away the problem of hard science.
According to Joss Whedon, during the DVD commentary for the pilot episode of Buffy the Vampire Slayer, the term "phlebotinum" originates from Buffy writer (and Angel co-creator) David Greenwalt's sudden outburst: "Don't touch the phlebotinum!" apropos of nothing.Fun Fact
If the phlebotinum in question is simply a physical substance with unusual/extreme properties you are almost certainly dealing with the element Unobtainium.
LINK
Posted on 2/21/24 at 9:23 am to VOR
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Foster was very good in her role.
was she though?
Posted on 2/21/24 at 9:41 am to kballa6
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Prestige TV Podcast
No the other one, The Watch. It’s Andy Greenwald and Chris Ryan. I like it better. Joanna is as liberal and feminist as they come so I am curious on her opinion.
Posted on 2/21/24 at 10:09 am to dallastiger55
Just popping back in to say I've slept on it for the 3rd night and I still think this season was fricking terrible.
Now back to your regularly scheduled programming
Now back to your regularly scheduled programming
Posted on 2/21/24 at 10:12 am to dallastiger55
Wow, what a colossal piece of dog shite this season was. Bad episodes to spare and the finale took the cake by a country mile.
My wife, who asked me multiple times throughout the season to stop bashing it during our watch and let it sort out literally said, “yeah, this is terrible; you can go ahead and shite on it if you like” about 30 minutes in. Then we both shite on it for the next 40 minutes.
Anyone still claiming season 2 is worse than this season should just go ahead and seek therapy.
Who at HBO read this script and green-lit it? That’s asking the right question!
My wife, who asked me multiple times throughout the season to stop bashing it during our watch and let it sort out literally said, “yeah, this is terrible; you can go ahead and shite on it if you like” about 30 minutes in. Then we both shite on it for the next 40 minutes.
Anyone still claiming season 2 is worse than this season should just go ahead and seek therapy.
Who at HBO read this script and green-lit it? That’s asking the right question!
Posted on 2/21/24 at 10:13 am to Lsut81
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I still think this season was fricking terrible.
Yeah, the more lazy plot garbage I see, the more I feel insulted as a viewer. But if I complain, I'm a misogynist.
I swear, I don't care about the race or sex of the lead characters whatsoever- I just want to see something well written and plotted. And this thing was an absolute abomination.
Posted on 2/21/24 at 10:16 am to schatman
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I don't care about the race or sex of the lead characters whatsoever-
Them being female had nothing to do with it being shitty... There was soooo much potential for this season with the backdrop and the writers/director completely shite the bed.
/story
Posted on 2/21/24 at 10:18 am to GeauxldMember
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My wife, who asked me multiple times throughout the season to stop bashing it during our watch and let it sort out literally said, “yeah, this is terrible; you can go ahead and shite on it if you like” about 30 minutes in. Then we both shite on it for the next 40 minutes.
basically the same dynamic with me on this thread. i was defending the show until about episode 4, at which point i realized that all was lost.
Posted on 2/21/24 at 10:19 am to hubertcumberdale
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i genuinely would like to know what people enjoyed about this season, to the people who are claiming this season was good.
HBO knows the recipe for a hit show. Beautiful set designs/ visually stunning, random remixes of famous songs and a big name actor/actress. Put all these things together and its easy to make something bad seem good.
This post was edited on 2/21/24 at 10:20 am
Posted on 2/21/24 at 1:24 pm to Lsut81
Nic retweeted this.
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Just want to send love to @nicpizzolatto. I can only imagine how it feels to have his all time classic dialogue butchered and misappropriated like it was last night. And the interview where she says they exist in same universe. No they do not!!! Last night's finale was some of the sloppiest writing I've ever watched. So insulting calling it True Detective, and beyond disrespectful invoking time is a flat circle.' Rewatching Sl...I feel this may be blasphemy, and it may be due to 20 more yrs of rewatches, but it hits me harder than Twin Peaks right now. SlEl is perfect. Every beat. It's mind blowing how loaded it is. Every decision had the entire show's central idea in it. The layering in these scenes, the subtext in the dialogue that you only know later, wow. Unlike 99% of TV, they were not making this up as they went along. The entire idea was in every shot. I am so thankful. I bow. Cleansing my palette now with a full S1 rewatch.
Posted on 2/21/24 at 1:25 pm to Sam Quint
quote:I thought so.
Foster was very good in her role.
was she though?
Posted on 2/21/24 at 2:26 pm to DragginFly
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Nic retweeted this.
I just went to HBO's IG Account and holy shite, they are getting shredded. Scrolled through first 25-30 comments to the season finale promo and not a single positive comment.
Posted on 2/21/24 at 2:29 pm to Lsut81
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What Happened to ‘True Detective’ Creator Nic Pizzolatto?
His reposting of comments critical of the latest installment of the HBO franchise have left some wondering what became of the original showrunner.
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The way that we relate to the stories we tell is profound and it’s personal, and I cannot make a judgment on his experience. His experience is not my experience. I’ve never started a franchise, so I cannot talk for him. I can talk for me,” showrunner López told THR on Wednesday. “And all I can say is I love True Detective and I love Night Country, and they’re in that same universe, and if you jumped on the boat with me and came for the ride, you’re going to enjoy the fact that the language is the same language and the mythology is the same mythology and the elements are shared. But if you didn’t jump on the boat with me, you’re not going to like it. So I hope you jumped on the boat with me and gave this chance.”
Season four star Reis, responding to a viewer who called out Pizzolatto for “posting other people’s stories about how Issa López ruined the franchise like an absolutely enormous baby,” wrote that it was “a damn shame” that the True Detective creator could not support the new installment. “But hey I guess ‘if you don’t have anything good to share, shite on others’ is the new wave,” she wrote.
LINK
Posted on 2/21/24 at 3:19 pm to RLDSC FAN
Finally caught up on the finale last night. I just want to know how the frick Danvers didn't die.You fall in water that cold and get drug back to a facility in the freezing cold, sit in a facility with no heat around a tiny-arse campfire without (at least by the looks of it) changing into dry clothes? No way she's surviving that.
This post was edited on 2/21/24 at 3:20 pm
Posted on 2/21/24 at 3:21 pm to Hogssmellgood
Well, she was on the verge of death for a few moments. Navarro was trying to keep her awake.
Your point is well taken, but they didn't have her pop out of the water and do wind sprints or anything.
Your point is well taken, but they didn't have her pop out of the water and do wind sprints or anything.
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