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re: Portal about to get even crazier
Posted on 12/26/23 at 12:38 pm to GeauxHouston
Posted on 12/26/23 at 12:38 pm to GeauxHouston
It’s like pick-up ball at the REC now
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Posted on 12/26/23 at 3:22 pm to SwampyWaters
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Everybody cheats
Tuscaloosa dodge
Posted on 12/26/23 at 3:44 pm to lsusteve1
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It’ll be JV NFL now
No, way worse than the NFL. The NFL has multiple year contracts where players have to remain with a team for 2,3… etc years. The NCAA lets players just bounce around many times in less than a year. No commitment, no consequence. Why can’t the NCAA have some sort of contractual relationship with players.
Posted on 12/26/23 at 6:14 pm to Rebel
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Eventually the SEC will break away from the NCAA and the other 3 majors will follow.
NCAA is a zombie institution.
I've been saying this for a couple years now...
Posted on 12/26/23 at 6:41 pm to tgdk11
Anyone who opposes this is a communist. There is no logical reason that college payers should ever have to miss a year of playing simply for changing schools. That is like telling a person you can change jobs, but you have to not work for a year before you do.
Posted on 12/26/23 at 9:01 pm to da prophet
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Why can’t the NCAA have some sort of contractual relationship with players.
Because that would almost be like a players Union
Posted on 12/26/23 at 9:21 pm to J2thaROC
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Anyone who opposes this is a communist.
Ok
The players want to be treated like pros, but without pro rules that maintain stability. The players continually pushing all of this further with all of their lawsuits and thinking they run the show is about to bring the fricking hammer down. Once the P5 break away from the SEC and teams are no longer formally associated with the universities they license the names of (my guess as to how that will work), the players are fricked. There’s no going back and most of these new unfettered freedoms will be instantly locked down and regulated.
The players are going to get exactly what may say they want today- profit sharing and direct employee status. But that is also going to come with a collective bargaining agreement and a set contract that will lock down all of these loopholes. Once that happens- no more opt outs, free transfer portal every year, NIL money from collectives, etc. They will be under the equivalent of a rookie contract and there’s no getting out of it. And since because it will all be through a legal collective bargaining agreement, the Supreme Court’s rulings will be irrelevant. NIL will just become what it was meant to be- nothing but outside endorsement deals for select players.
My guess is that players won’t be able to enter free agency/the corrected portal until after year two at a program unless their coach leaves or they are given a release. Call it a minimum contract. Not sure if we will see salary caps, but there will be some kind of structure there that we don’t have today, at least within conferences.
The players have all the power to move freely and hit anyone they want up for money at the moment, but by overplaying their hand, they are going to bring all of this shite to an end within the next 3-6 years.
This post was edited on 12/26/23 at 9:23 pm
Posted on 12/26/23 at 9:29 pm to da prophet
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Why can’t the NCAA have some sort of contractual relationship with players
The P5 conferences will break away from the NCAA and disassociate from the universities. Athletic Departments are all pretty much run separately at this point, anyway. They will just have to license the names back, which is how they will kick some money back to the schools.
This gets rid of all NCAA rules and any Title IX issues going forward. It allows for a new collective bargaining agreement with a likely players union that will govern formal contracts and salaries. All of these new-found freedoms the players have go away and they will be treated exactly like pro athletes. Collectives will be outlawed and disbanded and NIL will be nothing more than outside player endorsements.
Posted on 12/26/23 at 9:32 pm to misey94
I really hopes this happens. It’s getting out of hand now.
Posted on 12/26/23 at 9:48 pm to deathvalleyfreak43
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The NCAA is a joke
5 days before 2023 ends and I Oh-ficially nominate this post as the understatement of the year.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 10:38 am to da prophet
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Why can’t the NCAA have some sort of contractual relationship with players.
In the wake of the Alston ruling (the SCOTUS case everyone says legalized NIL, even though it didn’t really) I said the NCAA’s only hope lies in collective bargaining. I still believe that to be true.
The writing is on the wall. Unless Congress steps in and gives the NCAA some sort of immunity, they’re just going to continue getting pummeled with antitrust lawsuits until they are no longer relevant.
I do think folks are too quick to blame everything on the NCAA, though. They’re in a really difficult position due to a ton of different factors, many of which (such as the political climate) are outside of their control.
This latest transfer situation is a great example. You have a bunch of state AG’s who decided to go on a crusade against the NCAA and filed an antitrust lawsuit. They manage to get a TRO preventing the NCAA from holding out players who don’t have approved eligibility waivers. Suddenly everyone starts piling on the NCAA because they didn’t immediately clarify whether players could be retroactively ruled ineligible after the TRO expires. Here’s the thing though - despite popular opinion otherwise, the NCAA can’t just make up rules as they go. They have bylaws and rule-making processes. Those bylaws have been voted into effect by the member institutions (some of whom are parties to the same lawsuit). The NCAA also has to walk carefully because every decision they make can be used against them in future litigation.
So in an effort to provide some semblance of clarity, they agree to convert the TRO to an injunction that legally prevents them from retroactively ruling anyone ineligible (also preventing them from having to go through the entire rule making process). Now everyone is piling on because they are “making it up as they go along.” But you can’t get immediate clarity and go through the formal process. They’re mutually exclusive. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
Back to the topic of collective bargaining / contracts - while I do think this is the only way to get out of the current “free agency” climate (assuming Congress continues to stay out of it), Title IX could present a major hurdle as well. It’s yet another legal minefield they have to navigate.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 10:39 am to J2thaROC
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That is like telling a person you can change jobs, but you have to not work for a year before you do.
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by J2thaROC
Color me shocked that you’ve never had a non-compete.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 10:56 am to J2thaROC
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Anyone who opposes this is a communist. There is no logical reason that college payers should ever have to miss a year of playing simply for changing schools. That is like telling a person you can change jobs, but you have to not work for a year before you do.
I'm a communist for thinking private organizations should be allowed to have rules for those voluntarily participating in their organization?
Posted on 12/27/23 at 11:59 am to J2thaROC
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Anyone who opposes this is a communist.
Aside from not understanding what communism is, there's a major problem with allowing a player to spring practice with 1 team, then fall practice with a direct competitor.
We don't let coaches do that without serious penalties.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 12:23 pm to mpwilging
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quote:Eventually the SEC will break away from the NCAA and the other 3 majors will follow. NCAA is a zombie institution. I've been saying this for a couple years now...
It wasn’t an original thought by you. People have been predicting this for quite literally 30 years
Posted on 12/27/23 at 12:48 pm to J2thaROC
Lost in all of this is the real value of a CONTRACTUAL scholarship. Firstly, a free year of tuition is of real subsequent value that brings in potentially very significant lifelong returns, and is also costly to the respective institution. Secondly, it is indeed a contract.
If, on the other hand, a player desires to maintain the right to leave a team whenever he wishes, he should attend that university by paying his own tuition. Then, quitting and moving on to another university, assuming he is academically eligible, would be unencumbered. It is indeed nonsensical that a player could be allowed to play, practice and learn the playbook with two different teams in 1 season.
If, on the other hand, a player desires to maintain the right to leave a team whenever he wishes, he should attend that university by paying his own tuition. Then, quitting and moving on to another university, assuming he is academically eligible, would be unencumbered. It is indeed nonsensical that a player could be allowed to play, practice and learn the playbook with two different teams in 1 season.
Posted on 12/27/23 at 1:26 pm to deathvalleyfreak43
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The NCAA is a joke
No
Clue
At
All
Posted on 12/27/23 at 2:36 pm to SouthernInsanity
Imagine being pissed off because you are only making about 10 million a year lol
That’s how ungrateful and spoiled most of these athletes are. And then have the audacity to gripe about how mistreated they are lmao
That’s how ungrateful and spoiled most of these athletes are. And then have the audacity to gripe about how mistreated they are lmao
Posted on 12/27/23 at 9:14 pm to tgdk11
Can college football work without the NCAA
Posted on 12/28/23 at 10:32 pm to LSU82BILL
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Money, Lawyers and the Klaus Schwab globalists. fricking up the world for thousands of years.
FIFY
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