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re: You have to start Trey
Posted on 12/21/23 at 9:08 pm to shel311
Posted on 12/21/23 at 9:08 pm to shel311
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but he seems to be able to put out an above-average defense regardless of who is out there
I don't disagree, but Herb is a HUGE reason. You pair CJ with with another big guard (Dyson) to hide his flaws defensively and let CJ be CJ against the opposing team's second unit.
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Posted on 12/21/23 at 9:09 pm to Terrific Tales
quote:In theory, yes.
Also I’m just gonna say it, CJ’s shots need to come down a little and Trey’s need to go up they should average around the same FGA per game, if not Trey should average more
But Trey is a long way away from being able to create his own shot to the level that CJ can.
Posted on 12/21/23 at 9:13 pm to shel311
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In theory, yes. But Trey is a long way away from being able to create his own shot to the level that CJ can.
If BI and Zion are 15-20 FGA, and Trey is close to 15, the need for CJ to create shots for himself off the dribble is a lot less no?
This post was edited on 12/21/23 at 9:17 pm
Posted on 12/21/23 at 9:16 pm to whatiknowsofar
I think we should bring Zion off of the bench and he can kind of play the big man all offense no defense Enes Kanter type of 6th man role from a few years ago. Will save his legs and maybe he can defend a little bit against other bench players.
This post was edited on 12/21/23 at 9:18 pm
Posted on 12/21/23 at 9:18 pm to 3PieceSpicy
BI's shots should come down and let him playmake more. I like a 21/8/8 ingram more than a 25/5/5 ingram.
Zion and Trey are our most efficient players. They should get the majority of shots. Then split the rest between CJ and Ingram
Zion and Trey are our most efficient players. They should get the majority of shots. Then split the rest between CJ and Ingram
Posted on 12/21/23 at 9:24 pm to 3PieceSpicy
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I think we should bring Zion off of the bench and he can kind of play the big man all offense no defense Enes Kanter type of role from a few years ago.
I'm about convinced it's time to start considering what kind of "trade value" Herb and Dyson might have between them. Looking like maybe neither should be starting or finishing. That means limited minutes for 2 guys that have little to no offense...they would probably bring some decent value on the trade market, from some team that's looking for those type players...to fill that kinda hole on their team.
Posted on 12/21/23 at 9:25 pm to Dinky Mulberry
I wish I had more than one downvote
Posted on 12/21/23 at 9:34 pm to tehchampion140
People who downvotes this wants BI sexually
Posted on 12/21/23 at 9:57 pm to Balsamic_duck
I know better than to argue with this board’s obsession over who starts, but all I know is Trey should never play just a few minutes in the second half of a game where we are struggling to score other than with BI. Amount of minutes and who closes is significantly more important than who starts.
Posted on 12/21/23 at 9:59 pm to LSUgrad88
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I know better than to argue with this board’s obsession over who starts, but all I know is Trey should never play just a few minutes in the second half of a game where we are struggling to score other than with BI. Amount of minutes and who closes is significantly more important than who starts
Generally this is my philosophy as well, but I think that Willie gets a bit stubborn with his rotations, and if getting Trey in the starting lineup is what it takes to get Trey in the closing lineup, then Trey to the starting lineup it is
Posted on 12/21/23 at 10:12 pm to Terrific Tales
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and if getting Trey in the starting lineup is what it takes to get Trey in the closing lineup
Willie’s obsession is defense minded lineups. As far as I can tell unless he’s instructed otherwise, he will default to that at closing time more often than not. The main reason we have seen JV at the end is because Larry has been hurt. So who starts to me matters very little as to who will close with Willie.
Posted on 12/21/23 at 10:20 pm to LSUgrad88
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Willie’s obsession is defense minded lineups. As far as I can tell unless he’s instructed otherwise, he will default to that at closing time more often than not. The main reason we have seen JV at the end is because Larry has been hurt. So who starts to me matters very little as to who will close with Willie.
Just as the team needs to grow, Willie needs to grow past the defensive bias at least a little bit. This is an offensive league, and we really need to get past the “defend the lead” mentality.
We are a top 3 seed in the West right now if we just close out half the games that we had double digit leads in deep into the 3rd quarter. Obviously defending the lead isn’t working, and offense is the best defense in this league (especially in the regular season)
It’s time for Willie to make those adjustments
Posted on 12/21/23 at 10:49 pm to shel311
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But Trey is a long way away from being able to create his own shot to the level that CJ can.
Hes doing more off the dribble this year at least, and dude has a soft touch around the rim.
You don't have to do as much to create your own when you're 6'10"
Posted on 12/21/23 at 10:51 pm to whatiknowsofar
I love Zion. I think he’s 1 of 1. At least I’ve thought that for a while. But now I kinda think we have a roster where we could actually trade Zion and be better. The haul we could get might be insane. We probably would never even consider it but maybe we should.
Posted on 12/21/23 at 11:05 pm to ScoopAndScore
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I love Zion. I think he’s 1 of 1. At least I’ve thought that for a while. But now I kinda think we have a roster where we could actually trade Zion and be better. The haul we could get might be insane. We probably would never even consider it but maybe we should.
Same. Like if charlotte gave us mark williams, PJ washington, and 2-3 1sts i would be all over that
This post was edited on 12/21/23 at 11:05 pm
Posted on 12/21/23 at 11:26 pm to tehchampion140
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Need to trade BI and give Trey his role. Herb is still valuable as a starter.
This is dumb as frick imo
But hypothetically, trade BI for who?
Trey is not replicating BI’s scoring ability. Certainly not mid range, not even close.
And I’m a big herb fan but there’s a reason most defensive first guys come off the bench. Scoring is more important
Posted on 12/21/23 at 11:34 pm to Pistol44
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You replace a 44% three-point shooter with another 44% shooter (Trey) and bring the 44% shooter (CJ) who can create his own offense (something that TM3 doesn't do as well at this point of his career). The beauty of Trey is that he doesn't need the ball in his hands to create offense. CJ is more valuable where he can come off the bench and be the focal point of the second-line.
So relegate a 44% three shooter who can also create his own shot for a 44% spot up shooter, because we need our second team to be better?
Please elaborate, because it’s not like we rotate 5 for 5.
You start and give the most minutes to your best players, period
Not to mention Zion is more efficient in a fast paced, spread out, transition offense which CJ brings
Posted on 12/21/23 at 11:37 pm to Terrific Tales
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You start
CJ
Trey
BI
Zion
JV
Boner.
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Off the bench you bring in Herb and Dyson and Naji and completely shut down other team’s bench units
Rotate them in to also end up with Bi and JV and play two man with BI and JV.
But we are asking for a coach that wouldn't double team Ja the other night and let him destroy them. So...
Posted on 12/21/23 at 11:48 pm to cas4t
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So relegate a 44% three shooter who can also create his own shot for a 44% spot up shooter, because we need our second team to be better? Please elaborate, because it’s not like we rotate 5 for 5.
I would say it’s because CJ and BI’s offensive games are kinda redundant.
ETA: CJ and BI both need the ball in their hands to be most effective. They both can create their own shot. And they both really prefer getting to their mid range spots.
ETA2: bring CJ off the bench and we never lose again
This post was edited on 12/21/23 at 11:53 pm
Posted on 12/22/23 at 12:06 am to shel311
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Trey is a long way away from being able to create his own shot to the level that CJ can.
If he ever can. Idk if Trey will ever be that kind of player.
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