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re: Pope Francis permits Priests to bless same sex couples in major Vatican doctrine change
Posted on 12/18/23 at 12:27 pm to TigerAxeOK
Posted on 12/18/23 at 12:27 pm to TigerAxeOK
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Strange.
GOD Himself does not permit anyone to sanctify homosexual behavior, let alone marriage.
They aren't marrying them...they're giving them a blessing. You obviously don't know anything about Catholicism.
Posted on 12/18/23 at 12:28 pm to Powerman
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They aren't marrying them...they're giving them a blessing. You obviously don't know anything about Catholicism.
be didnt even read past the headline probably
Posted on 12/18/23 at 12:31 pm to Fun Bunch
All concerned Catholics should contact their pastor and the Bishop. Request clarification and a CLEAR statement on homo unions. And state that if the response is not crystal clear we and our money will be going to the SSPX who has been right about where the church is headed since Vatican two
Posted on 12/18/23 at 12:35 pm to Guntoter1
hey Sede! glad to have you back
Posted on 12/18/23 at 12:44 pm to gaetti15
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so which ones are legit just for record keeping purposes?
It’s a long list. Easily eliminated: PCUSA, Church of Christ, UMC. There are a few faithful PCUSA and UMC churches remaining but few and far between.
SBC bucked a lot of the 70s/80s prog intrusion but still a mixed bag.
There are some Anglican and Lutheran denominations that are faithful. But most not.
If you’re actually interested there are plenty of resources on this. “For your record keeping.”
Posted on 12/18/23 at 12:45 pm to gaetti15
Catholics love getting anything and everything blessed. If I went to a priest and asked him to bless my coffee cup that I use at work they would do it without questioning it.
Posted on 12/18/23 at 12:45 pm to McLemore
yeah but there are like a bajillion denominations each with their own subgroups. Itd just be nice to have a list of a few you know?
Posted on 12/18/23 at 12:45 pm to Fun Bunch
Atheist Pope doing what an atheist does
Posted on 12/18/23 at 12:47 pm to Powerman
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Catholics love getting anything and everything blessed. If
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Catholics love getting anything and everything blessed. If
yep
blessing candles,chalk, throats,water, Mary statues, rosarys, crucifixes, etc
Posted on 12/18/23 at 12:49 pm to Powerman
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They aren't marrying them...they're giving them a blessing. You obviously don't know anything about Catholicism.
Apparently neither did anyone else until today. Thankfully the Pope has set us straight.
Posted on 12/18/23 at 12:51 pm to McLemore
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There are some Anglican and Lutheran denominations that are faithful. But most not.
which reformed confession of faith is the correct one?
Posted on 12/18/23 at 12:52 pm to Fun Bunch
The Pope has crossed the lines of no return for me as A catholic.
No wonder why he likes our US puppet.
No wonder why he likes our US puppet.
Posted on 12/18/23 at 1:01 pm to LSUvet72
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The Pope has crossed the lines of no return for me as A catholic.
You were never really Catholic in the first place if this is what crosses the line for you. You just identified as Catholic.
Posted on 12/18/23 at 1:07 pm to TigerAxeOK
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GOD Himself does not permit anyone to sanctify homosexual behavior, let alone marriage.
There is absolutely nothing about this announcement that is sanctifying of homosexual behavior or any behavior which rejects the Church's teaching on what an ordered marriage looks like. This announcement affirms that same-sex couples and other couples who live in sin (remarried without annulment, cohabitate and copulate) are not able to have their relationship blessed, but are as individuals able to receive blessings in the hope that it may draw them nearer to God for the purposes of further clarifying to them God's plan for them and their relationships.
Fiducia Supplicans On the Pastoral Meaning of Blessings
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38. For this reason, one should neither provide for nor promote a ritual for the blessings of couples in an irregular situation. At the same time, one should not prevent or prohibit the Church’s closeness to people in every situation in which they might seek God’s help through a simple blessing. In a brief prayer preceding this spontaneous blessing, the ordained minister could ask that the individuals have peace, health, a spirit of patience, dialogue, and mutual assistance—but also God’s light and strength to be able to fulfill his will completely. 39. In any case, precisely to avoid any form of confusion or scandal, when the prayer of blessing is requested by a couple in an irregular situation, even though it is expressed outside the rites prescribed by the liturgical books, this blessing should never be imparted in concurrence with the ceremonies of a civil union, and not even in connection with them. Nor can it be performed with any clothing, gestures, or words that are proper to a wedding. The same applies when the blessing is requested by a same-sex couple.
Read the base document. Noone who is in a disordered coupling (illicit marriage, same-sex, etc) is permitted to try to "form" a blessing into an appearance of the Church's approval of their sinful relationship.
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32. Indeed, the grace of God works in the lives of those who do not claim to be righteous but who acknowledge themselves humbly as sinners, like everyone else. This grace can orient everything according to the mysterious and unpredictable designs of God. Therefore, with its untiring wisdom and motherly care, the Church welcomes all who approach God with humble hearts, accompanying them with those spiritual aids that enable everyone to understand and realize God’s will fully in their existence.[22]
RCC: come and acknowledge yourself as a sinner and receive a blessing that you may recognize that God's plan for you and will for your relationships does not include living in a disordered and sinful manner.
Posted on 12/18/23 at 1:09 pm to gaetti15
Missouri Synod Lutheran is about as close to Catholic as it gets, whilst still being a Protestant.
Posted on 12/18/23 at 1:11 pm to gaetti15
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yeah but there are like a bajillion denominations each with their own subgroups. Itd just be nice to have a list of a few you know?
I just answered you. If you want a comprehensive analysis then do it yourself. If you’re trying to set up some sort of dumb “gotcha” against sola scriptura then try elsewhere. I have two sick kids to deal with.
Posted on 12/18/23 at 1:12 pm to LSUvet72
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The Pope has crossed the lines of no return for me as A catholic.
See, that is kind of the thing with Catholocism...you are called to pray for the Holy Father and to submit to the Magisterium, Tradition, and Sacred Scriptures. Do you not believe that the Divine Mandate and Divine Guarantee given to the Church remain in effect? I urge you to take a step back.
Put another way, you likely will accuse CNN, the NYTimes, and other mass media of pushing an agenda. Then, when they chose to report on matters concerning the Faith, you are all to happy to take their word for it and to allow them to sow discord in your heart and to move your tongue to disobedience. Seriously, recognize the office.
This post was edited on 12/18/23 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 12/18/23 at 1:13 pm to Fun Bunch
The caveat is that they are only permitted to marry him.
Seriously, how is this guy not the last pope? He's satanic as shite.
Seriously, how is this guy not the last pope? He's satanic as shite.
Posted on 12/18/23 at 1:17 pm to Foch
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Foch
Well done.
But I do think the Pope is forcing this conversation... for some reason. And it doesn't feel like it's to reaffirm the position. It feels like a softening of perspective. Even though it really isn't. It will be misinterpreted as such. And it's on purpose that's the troubling part.
Posted on 12/18/23 at 1:24 pm to dbbuilder79
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Just by reading the article, it says the priest cannot bless gay couples at the time of union. So what is the blessing for?
The church often blesses hetero marriages who didn't get married in the catholic church. They bless the marriage, but it's often done with the couple going through vow's and all the usual wedding stuff the church would do, but without the mass.
I don't see priests doing that, but who the hell knows.
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