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Posted on 12/12/23 at 10:16 am to Geaux Guy
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Best thing you can do is stop paying attention for a while.
Sadly this is the answer. I think next year is the year to start paying attention. If we are .500 or worse next year they will need to move on.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 10:18 am to mcspufftiger7
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He has the #4 PG and the #4 PF in the country committed.
Where are you getting these ranking from?
According to On3, Givens is the #9 ranked PG and Miller is the #8 ranked PF.
LINK
Regardless, even though neither are top 4 guys, they're not bad. And that would probably give more reason for optimism...if McMahon had not previously signed a HIGHER ranked HS class. Ward and Reed were ranked similar to Givens and Miller. Yet, after 1.5 years of them being on the team the losing continues. So what reason is there to assume the two signees are going to = significantly better performances?
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the constant whining by the premenstrual women is getting old. Either you are an LSU fan and will support the young men who give their time and effort to play for LSU or some old bittys whose lives are so pathetic you spend all your time trying to tear someone else down in order to build yourself up.
One thing can change all of that...winning!
Fans want to support the team. Hell, I'm still showing up to games despite the likelihood of a loss each time out. But this is a discussion board. And there is NOTHING positive about the program to discuss. I appreciate your optimism, but it's not based upon any tangible evidence whatsoever. The discussion is will McMahon get another year if he has another bad season (which all indications right now suggest that will be the case)? If he has two really bad seasons on what basis, other than completely blind hope, should anyone think next year would be different?
Posted on 12/12/23 at 10:26 am to GeorgeWest
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CMM has a 7-year contract. If he is terminated, he gets 50% of the money left on the contract.
His salary in Year One was $2.6 million. It goes up 100K each year through Year Seven when it is $3.2 million.
His buyouts are: in 2024, $7.5 million; in 2025, $6.1 million, in 2026, $4.65 million; in 2027, $3.15 million.
where do you see 50%?
I've seen two different sites that say 80%. The Advocate and Outkick.com both say 80%.
Even then, it would be $12M after this year is over, or just under $10M after next year.
I think it's worth $2M to get rid of him asap if we are going to go 2-14 in the SEC.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 10:30 am to Demonbengal
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I think next year is the year to start paying attention
Why next year?
This isn't a situation like with Brady, Jones and Wade where they inherited poor rosters with no means to quickly fix them outside of JUCO and HS signees. Yes, McMahon inherited a blank slate. But he had the transfer options available to quickly build a roster.
And it is not as if LSU has been playing bunch of young players who are taking their lumps now with the hopes that by year 3 they will be grizzled vets. That's not the way of college basketball anymore. 2 of the 4 HS players he signed are already gone. Another poor season and that number may be ALL of the 4 HS players signed just two years ago.
So many people on here still have an incredibly antiquated view of college basketball. Gone are the days were you slowly stack recruiting classes in a build up. With the prevalence of transfers, coaches are forced to build a team, then build nearly a completely new team the following season. 50% (or more) roster turnover from year to year is the norm now. For example, Alabama won the SEC last year. They lost 11 players from their roster.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 10:34 am to yakster
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Yeah cause replacing him is gonna start a winning streak from players that can’t shoot or defend?
defense is on the coach in college more so than the players.
Will Wade WON the SEC with a team that shot 32.3% from 3, 75.4% from the FT line, and 46.2% from the field with 13.4 TO's per game.
McMahon's current shite team is shooting 32.2% from 3, 72% from the FT line, and 45.9% from the field with 14.4 TO's per game.
I guess that .1-.3% on both 3's and the field as well as the 1 extra turnover a game are the difference between 1st and 2nd to last.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 10:52 am to JR Hamilsbach
The buyout probably can be paid on a yearly basis not a lump sum
Posted on 12/12/23 at 11:08 am to Alt26
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I think next year is the year to start paying attention
It's hard to pay attention this year. They beat a 0-7 Southeastern team at home by 7... Course that was after a lose to Nichols, so they have at least improved
Posted on 12/12/23 at 12:49 pm to Madking
Who was the 5*? I’m pretty sure Reed and Ward were both 4* players, and they have had problems with consistency. Ward has struggled defensively while Reed sometimes struggles to show up to play like he can
Posted on 12/12/23 at 1:04 pm to Alt26
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Yes, McMahon inherited a blank slate. But he had the transfer options available to quickly build a roster.
Yet he has built a very mediocre roster in YR 2. My wife is a very long term LSU men's BB fan loyalist and even she has already thrown in the towel on this team. I like a coach with a little fire in their core not a shrinking violet. I believe Woodward whiffed big time on this hire.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 1:28 pm to tirebiter
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Yet he has built a very mediocre roster in YR 2
That is the concern.
Either he is unable to build a competitive roster, OR he can't get results out of what is a competitive roster. Either way, the result is the same, several uncompetitive losses, and not much faith of improvement going forward.
No one dislikes McMahon on a personal level. But this is a results oriented business. One where the HCs are paid more than 99% of society to produce those results. And his results simply haven't been good.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 1:30 pm to Alt26
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No one dislikes McMahon on a personal level. But this is a results oriented business. One where the HCs are paid more than 99% of society to produce those results. And his results simply haven't been good.
This can't be said enough.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 1:58 pm to JR Hamilsbach
He’Ll NEVER bE fIrEd CaUsE fAt WoOdY hAtEs ThE mEn’S bB pRoGrAm AnD iS tHe WoRsT aD iN tHe CoUnTrY!!!!
FiRe FaT wOoDy!!!!!
Signed: Idiots of the rant
FiRe FaT wOoDy!!!!!
Signed: Idiots of the rant
Posted on 12/12/23 at 2:06 pm to LSU Jax
Mr Barry: you are right. It is 80% not 50%. Musta been wishful thinking on my part. By the way, GREAT handle name for this site. :-)
This post was edited on 12/12/23 at 2:07 pm
Posted on 12/12/23 at 2:07 pm to Horizon Imperial
Ward was a 5*, so was Collins
This post was edited on 12/12/23 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 12/12/23 at 2:14 pm to Alt26
It doesn’t matter who you bring in when you run what we run and are poorly coached in the fundamental aspects of the game.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 2:31 pm to Madking
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It doesn’t matter who you bring in when you run what we run and are poorly coached in the fundamental aspects of the game.
To me this is the most frustrating thing about Mcmahon thus far. The primary concern when he was hired was whether or not he would be able to recruit at a high enough level. Most people weren't concerned about his actual coaching ability, but that seems to the biggest let down. The talent he has brought in may not be championship level talent, but its enough talent to at least be competitive. Meanwhile, the team turns the ball over at an extremely high rate, offensive spacing is horrible, there is no sense of urgency on either side of the ball, defensive fundamentals on screens and help side D is extremely lacking leading to wide open kick out 3s or easy pick and rolls. All of that can and should be fixed through coaching and quite simply hasn't this far into the season, which is inexcusable.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 2:37 pm to brewdrees
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Y'all don't support unless they winning anyway lol
100% true. Their Lord and Savior Will Wade could have McMahon's record, and they would be calling for his head on TD nonstop
Posted on 12/12/23 at 2:43 pm to Aforem7
He forces the ball into the lowest leverage spots on the court and never attacks the middle of the court. We’re always very late getting into our sets, there’s no secondary option and there’s no transition game. And that’s just the offensive design not accounting for the things you correctly pointed out.
Posted on 12/12/23 at 2:57 pm to Chalkywhite84
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I'm not a McMahon fan but the talent on the lsu team isn't great.
The product should still be way better than what he has at this time.
At some point its the coaching, scheme and development.
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