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re: PBS Frontline just put out an episode on the Uvalde shooting (bodycams, 911 calls, etc)
Posted on 12/6/23 at 5:51 am to GetCocky11
Posted on 12/6/23 at 5:51 am to GetCocky11
Remember this when watching: the cops have NO duty to protect YOU. The courts have already spoken on this and most cops/agencies have taken this to heart.
I went through La POST basic 25 years ago and the two phrases I remember stated over and over: “the goal is to go home at the end of your shift” and “better to be judged by 12 than carried by six.”
Faith in the “thin blue line” to save you is faith misplaced.
I went through La POST basic 25 years ago and the two phrases I remember stated over and over: “the goal is to go home at the end of your shift” and “better to be judged by 12 than carried by six.”
Faith in the “thin blue line” to save you is faith misplaced.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 6:04 am to Chief Hinge
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Just remember that every documentary is told with the breath of one mouth.
We watched it unfold in real time. We watched a cop use hand sanitizer while children were bleeding out.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 6:54 am to TigersSEC2010
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The good ones went federal
Seeing feds actions these days, I guess they're not so good.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 6:58 am to Scruffy
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The Supreme Court of the United States has already ruled that law enforcement officers have zero requirement to help anyone.
Period.
There is zero requirement for them to help any person, no matter the situation.
An officer can watch someone attack you, not intervene, and face no legal consequences.
And yet, our ability to lawfully defend ourselves is constantly under attack.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 7:01 am to The Boat
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video of the cops taking out the tranny that shot up the Christian school was incredible to watch.
Got a link?
Posted on 12/6/23 at 7:06 am to DogFacedSoldier
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.if there's no driving force, you don't just go checking every classroom.
You do, in fact, clear buildings. So yeah, you check every room.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 7:15 am to GetCocky11
Not one of them should ever live a day in the rest of their lives without being ridiculed. I don't care what a court says or what a job requires, that many men standing around while children are being killed and not one felt the surge of humanity inside their souls to go help? fricking cowards and should be reminded daily. Only other explanation is they were mercenaries with no humanity left. You could literally gather the same amount of people off the street and they'd do more than those cops did. Even unarmed. Hope they all rot in whatever hell exists.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 7:19 am to Scruffy
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The Supreme Court of the United States has already ruled that law enforcement officers have zero requirement to help anyone.
Period.
There is zero requirement for them to help any person, no matter the situation.
An officer can watch someone attack you, not intervene, and face no legal consequences
THIS is why you better carry everywhere, everytime.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 7:20 am to GetCocky11
cowards... and they had guns. what good are they?
Posted on 12/6/23 at 7:21 am to GetCocky11
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This is not an easy episode to watch.
It's excruciatingly painful to watch.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 7:33 am to udtiger
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THIS is why you better carry everywhere, everytime.
Which is why the second amendment is a worthy hill to die on. No one is coming to save you. Become proficient with your weapon and let the chips fall where they may.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 7:40 am to DogFacedSoldier
I would add that I like to listen to a lot of true crime podcasts. So many involve incompetent small town police forces that don’t know how to investigate a murder case. Not surprising the Uvalde police did this. It’s typical.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 7:59 am to DogFacedSoldier
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2. LEO is trained - now days - to go towards the driving force...whether that is screaming, shooting or visuals...if there's no driving force, you don't just go checking every classroom.
Yes-you do. You go to where the shooting is/was and you clear rooms and confront the shooter-which they started to do, got shot at, fell back, then cowered and let the killing continue like cowards.
This post was edited on 12/6/23 at 8:01 am
Posted on 12/6/23 at 8:00 am to scrooster
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This is not an easy episode to watch.
It's excruciatingly painful to watch.
Everyone, especially parents with kids in school, should watch it.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 8:03 am to TexasTiger89
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Not surprising the Uvalde police did this.
The Border Patrol guys...you could kinda tell they knew they walked in on Amateur Hour when they arrived.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:02 am to This GUN for HIRE
quote:Federal court has ruled that children are not in the school’s “custody” during the school day, so, combined with the ruling I referenced above, that isn’t likely.
I'm curious to know if that'd be the case with a school police dept. Seems like that would be a requirement, to protect those kids.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:14 am to Scruffy
I'm still convinced that local and federal authorities WANTED more kids killed. Nothing will every convince me otherwise. Our leaders are pure evil. Period.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:22 am to EZE Tiger Fan
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by neglect, ignorance or incompetence.
You're giving those police too much intellectual credit. They're cowards. Nothing more.
You're giving those police too much intellectual credit. They're cowards. Nothing more.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 9:24 am to The Boat
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The video of the cops taking out the tranny that shot up the Christian school was incredible to watch. Absolute professionals who acted swiftly and professionally. The leader was incredible.
Yes, nerves of steel and some massive freakin stones on those guys.
Check out the bodycam footage from the Allen mall tragedy too. Basically one guy who in the span of five minutes goes from teaching kids about wearing their seat belts to taking out the perp. In between all that you see how the training pays off. He alerts every civilian he sees to get out of the area; he loads up the tach gear and runs across the plaza like a motherfricker; slows down to try to audibly pinpoint the gunshots; repeatedly updates and calls for backup; and then perhaps most impressively, after all that, he nails an armed, moving target from an upright stance 100+ feet away.
Just an incredible response. I don't believe they've ever released the guy's identity, but they really should. He's a hero in the purest sense of the word.
Posted on 12/6/23 at 12:43 pm to Scruffy
If they're not going to do what most assume our tax $$ pay them to do, I might have to rethink my opinion on defending LE.
I'm not concerned about protecting me. I've never needed LE & don't see where I ever will, at this point, but those poor kids...
I'm not concerned about protecting me. I've never needed LE & don't see where I ever will, at this point, but those poor kids...
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