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Best way to invest with 10 million for someone

Posted on 11/4/23 at 6:34 pm
Posted by NCIS_76
Member since Jan 2021
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Posted on 11/4/23 at 6:34 pm
that does not like to gamble with Wall Street?
Posted by MrJimBeam
Member since Apr 2009
12964 posts
Posted on 11/4/23 at 7:13 pm to
Same as someone with 10,000 that does not like to gamble.
Posted by Thundercles
Mars
Member since Sep 2010
6133 posts
Posted on 11/4/23 at 7:16 pm to
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that does not like to gamble with Wall Street?


Either you're trolling or very dumb
Posted by Konkey Dong
Member since Aug 2013
2353 posts
Posted on 11/4/23 at 7:17 pm to
buy long term treasuries, live off the interest. This isn't hard
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
25028 posts
Posted on 11/4/23 at 7:44 pm to
For all intents and purposes, the actual number doesn’t meaningfully impact the way you actually deploy it other than you may be more conservative with the money in an uber high net worth scenario.

You could go put the $10M in SCHB and live off the dividends alone.
Posted by NCIS_76
Member since Jan 2021
5246 posts
Posted on 11/4/23 at 10:28 pm to
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Either you're trolling or very dumb


Not dumb. Coming from a modest life. Marrying into it.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
38521 posts
Posted on 11/4/23 at 10:29 pm to
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buy long term treasuries, live off the interest. This isn't hard
Hard enough that you got the wrong answer, which is:

Find the highest-quality muni/tax-exempt you can find and do that. Tax-exempt bonds almost always trade cheap to what the implied price should be based purely on the tax savings.
Posted by bovine1
Member since Dec 2004
1358 posts
Posted on 11/5/23 at 7:24 am to
I'm buying T-Bills and payn the tax. I can stand it on 500,000$ plus a year. Munis give me pause after some that I've seen issued in this area especially revenue bonds. I'll stick with bills and notes maybe for the foreseeable future but I acknowledge there's other ways to go about it. It really depends on your personality and what you're comfortable with.
Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
38521 posts
Posted on 11/5/23 at 12:29 pm to
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I'm buying T-Bills and payn the tax. I can stand it on 500,000$ plus a year. Munis give me pause after some that I've seen issued in this area especially revenue bonds. I'll stick with bills and notes maybe for the foreseeable future but I acknowledge there's other ways to go about it. It really depends on your personality and what you're comfortable with.
You'll be paying almost 40% in federal income tax on that.

For tax-exempt of similar rating (AAA, although one ratings agency downgraded US to AA), you can make WAY more.

Presently, 30-year Treasuries are yielding about 4.4%. After fed tax, you get to keep 2.77% - $270K on your $10M base.

30-year tax exempt are yielding 4.04%. After the no tax, you get to keep 4.04% - $404K on your $10M base. That is 46% MORE.


I'm not necessarily arguing not to stay in Bills while the front end is this high (you can get 5.5% in USFR). You'll earn a 3.5% after tax yield, which is pretty defensible for keeping the near-total liquidity. But if/when the curve flattens/goes back to something more normal, long-duration munis is the way to go for you.
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
136265 posts
Posted on 11/5/23 at 12:31 pm to
Give me $5M and in 10 years I'll give you back $2M. But I'll smile when I give it back unlike your brokerage.
Posted by bovine1
Member since Dec 2004
1358 posts
Posted on 11/5/23 at 12:48 pm to
Bills 3-9 mo. are currently yielding 5.3-4ish%. I wouldn't buy 30 yr bonds either. Your strategy is fine but I personally am not comfortable with municipals. Also on the top end of a $500Kish income you would be in the 40% bracket and I will defer
to our tax professionals on here but I don't think you'd be paying anywhere near $200,000 in Fed.tax. Again I defer on this so correct me at will.
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
61304 posts
Posted on 11/5/23 at 12:56 pm to
I would hope like hell that someone who had that much money to invest could get better advice for their future than some guys on a random message board
Posted by Thundercles
Mars
Member since Sep 2010
6133 posts
Posted on 11/5/23 at 1:35 pm to
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Not dumb

The dumb part is referring to your idea of asking random people on a message board rather than a professional who has experience managing the tax implications and longevity of this kind of wealth. There are people here who have been successful in many ways, but I doubt any of them just woke up with 10 million dollars one day.
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
25028 posts
Posted on 11/5/23 at 1:56 pm to
This is a message board so why would we hate on a thread with a hypothetical to drive discussion?
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
135705 posts
Posted on 11/5/23 at 4:29 pm to
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Not dumb. Coming from a modest life. Marrying into it.
Good for you.
The $10M was not buried in a backyard or stuffed under a mattress.
Given your OP, and based on the inexperience it conveys, leave the money where it is.

Leave it there until you and/or your SO get some professional financial advice (consider a CFP), and are a lot more comfortable with various options, including wall street.

Meanwhile, read about investment risk mitigation. Diversification (which includes stock holdings) is an important component of steady inflation-exceeding returns.
This post was edited on 11/6/23 at 3:57 am
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
Premium Member
Member since Jan 2005
79335 posts
Posted on 11/6/23 at 4:57 am to
Bond ladder.

Posted by VABuckeye
NOVA
Member since Dec 2007
38283 posts
Posted on 11/6/23 at 6:29 am to
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Not dumb. Coming from a modest life. Marrying into it.


The first safe thing is for her to have you sign a pre-nup.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
23427 posts
Posted on 11/6/23 at 6:42 am to
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Either you're trolling or very dumb Not dumb. Coming from a modest life. Marrying into it.


Then why are you concerned? Who is managing it now?

Wall Street is not gambling, it’s investing. Sure bonds sound great right now but what’s even better than a 5% return is a 10% or 15% return.

There’s a reason why there’s so many portfolio allocation suggestions. Unless you want income now, there’s no reason to invest percentage wise differently if you have $100,000, $1 mil, or $10 million.

You need to read up on some investment allocations OP.
Posted by SlidellCajun
Slidell la
Member since May 2019
16047 posts
Posted on 11/6/23 at 7:07 am to
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You'll be paying almost 40% in federal income tax on that



How so?

Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91362 posts
Posted on 11/6/23 at 7:24 am to
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that does not like to gamble with Wall Street?


You shouldn’t be making any real world decisions with money if you think investing broadly in the stock market is gambling.
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