Does the Holy Land belong to The Church?

Revelator and the rest of the Scofield dispensationalists will be in here soon to tell you that you’re wrong.

Okay, now, let's live in the real world.

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The Jews have not recognized our Lord, therefore we cannot recognize the Jewish people.

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What an idiotic statement, but I’d expect nothing less

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Gentiles and the Church have become the "New Israel",

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Another idiotic statement. God has a plan for the church and another plan for Israel. The Jews have been temporarily blinded from acknowledging Jesus as their messiah as a nation. This blindness is temporary to facilitate the time of the Gentiles. When this time is done, the blinders will be removed an Israel Will acknowledge Jesus is messiah.



Romans 11:
I ask, then, has God rejected his people? By no means! For I myself am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, a member of the tribe of Benjamin.
2 God has not rejected his people whom he foreknew. Do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he appeals to God against Israel?
3 “Lord, they have killed your prophets, they have demolished your altars, and I alone am left, and they seek my life.”
4 But what is God’s reply to him? “I have kept for myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.”
5 So too at the present time there is a remnant, chosen by grace.
6 But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works; otherwise grace would no longer be grace.
7 ¶ What then? Israel failed to obtain what it was seeking. The elect obtained it, but the rest were hardened,
8 as it is written,
“God gave them a spirit of stupor,
eyes that would not see
and ears that would not hear,
down to this very day.”
9 ¶ And David says,
“Let their table become a snare and a trap,
a stumbling block and a retribution for them;
10 let their eyes be darkened so that they cannot see,
and bend their backs forever.”

11 ¶ So I ask, did they stumble in order that they might fall? By no means! Rather, through their trespass salvation has come to the Gentiles, so as to make Israel jealous

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Does the Holy Land belong to The Church?

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St Paul in the letter to the Romans makes the distinction that since Judaism/"National Israel" has rejected Christ, and converted Jews, Gentiles and the Church have become the "New Israel", implying that all blessings to Israel now come through the church - The Abrhamaic Covenant has moved from "Israel" to the Church, which is eloquently described in Paul's Olive Tree Parable

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Paul was an ... inventive ... individual.

Are they up to date on property taxes?

Yeehaw! At this rate all the arguments on planet earth should be made by November 1. Waiting patiently for the aliens to weigh in.

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The Catholic Apostolic Church

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We already have the "Catholic Apostolic Church". We call them Roman Catholics, Methodists, Baptists, Church of Christ, etc., etc. The Holy Catholic Church in the Apostle's Creed is the Church Universal; not the Roman Catholic Church.

The Muslims think the same thing. That Islam is the one true continuation of the Abrahamic faith through Judaism and through Christianity and on to Islam. The Muslims believe Abraham, Moses, Jesus, are all their guys. They believe the temple of Solomon was their temple. Mohammed came to set them all straight one last time…. That’s why they claim Jerusalem as theirs.

Anyone who thinks Peter is the rock (Petra) hasn’t studied scripture


Exodus 17:6

Behold, I will stand before you there on the rock at Horeb, and you shall strike the rock, and water shall come out of it, and the people will drink.” And Moses did so, in the sight of the elders of Israel.


Exodus 33:21
And the LORD said, “Behold, there is a place by me where you shall stand on the rock, 22 and while my glory passes by I will put you in a cleft of the rock, and I will cover you with my hand until I have passed by. 23 Then I will take away my hand, and you shall see my back, but my face shall not be seen

Numbers 20:8
Take the staff, and assemble the congregation, you and Aaron your brother, and tell the rock before their eyes to yield its water. So you shall bring water out of the rock for them and give drink to the congregation and their cattle.”

Deuteronomy 32:3


For I will proclaim the name of the LORD; ascribe greatness to our God! 4 “The Rock, his work is perfect, for all his ways are justice. A God of faithfulness and without iniquity, just and upright is h

Deuteronomy 32:15

But Jeshurun grew fat, and kicked; you grew fat, stout, and sleek; then he forsook God who made him and scoffed at the Rock of his salvation.

Deuteronomy 32:18

You were unmindful of the Rock that bore you, and you forgot the God who gave you birth.

Deuteronomy 32:30
How could one have chased a thousand, and two have put ten thousand to flight, unless their Rock had sold them, and the LORD had given them up? 31 For their rock is not as our Rock;

Deuteronomy 32:37
Then he will say, ‘Where are their gods, the rock in which they took refuge,

1 Samuel 2:2
There is none holy like the LORD: for there is none besides you; there is no rock like our God.

2 Samuel 22:2-3
He said, “The LORD is my rock and my fortress and my deliverer, 3 my God, my rock, in whom I take refuge, my shield, and the horn of my salvation, my stronghold and my refuge, my savior; you save me from violence.


2 Samuel 22:32
“For who is God, but the LORD? And who is a rock, except our God? ( who indeed)

2 Samuel 22:47
The LORD lives, and blessed be my rock, and exalted be my God, the rock of my salvation,

2 Samuel 23:3

The God of Israel has spoken; the Rock of Israel has said to me: When one rules justly over men, ruling in the fear of God,

Psalms 18:2

The LORD is my rock and my fortress and my deliverer, my God, my rock, in whom I take refuge, my shield, and the horn of my salvation, my stronghold.

Psalms 18:31

For who is God, but the LORD? And who is a rock, except our God?—

Psalms 19:14

Let the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable in your sight, O LORD, my rock and my redeemer.

Psalms 42:9

I say to God, my rock: “Why have you forgotten me? Why do I go mourning because of the oppression of the enemy?”

Psalms 62:2

He alone is my rock and my salvation, my fortress; I shall not be greatly shaken.

Psalms 62:6

He only is my rock and my salvation: he is my defence; I shall not be moved.


Psalms 78:35
And they remembered that God was their rock, and the high God their redeemer.

Psalms 89:26

He shall cry unto me, Thou art my father, my God, and the rock of my salvation


Psalms 92:15
To shew that the LORD is upright: he is my rock, and there is no unrighteousness in him.

Psalms 91:1

O come, let us sing unto the LORD: let us make a joyful noise to the rock of our salvation.

Isaiah 8:14
And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.

Isaiah 17:10

Because thou hast forgotten the God of thy salvation, and hast not been mindful of the rock of thy strength, therefore shalt thou plant pleasant plants, and shalt set it with strange slips:

Matthew 7:24
Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

Romans 9:33
As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.


1 Corinthians 10:4

And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

1 Peter 2:4-8

To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious, 5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ. 6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded. 7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner, 8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.



Jesus/God is always referred to as the Rock throughout scripture. It’s is wholly unreasonable to think that in this one instance of scripture that God somehow relegated the title of Rock onto Peter.

Ephesians 2:19
So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God,
20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone,
21 in whom the whole structure, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord.

It can’t be worded any clearer than this