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War is coming. I rarely start threads on this board.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 12:14 pm
Posted on 10/17/23 at 12:14 pm
But it's clear to me now the American Government and the corporate war machine that runs it, wants US combat involvement and it looks like they're gonna get it.
The subdued but steady drumbeat of war is becoming more rhythmic, more audible. Even on this very board, more and more folks are starting to get in line with yet another Middle Eastern corporate war. We're so easily manipulated into shite like this. It's almost as if war is the only way we can keep the concept of patriotism and American exceptionalism on life support. Right under the surface, we know those concepts are dying and many of us who remember the pride of Americanism are grabbing at anything that can restore us to what we once were.
We know national pride and patriotism is fading and we also know we're no longer exceptional or a guiding light for the rest of the world. So what else is there? What else do we have left other than our war machine?
Well those of you who are lightly bouncing to the drums of war, know this. The United States of America has not successfully fought a foreign war since the ancient history of World War II. We desperately cling to the romance of that war because we know we've failed at every one since.
I would say we lack the will to win these wars but that would imply they were started with winning in mind and they're not. They're started because they're corporate cash cows and to win them kills the cow.
These wars are meant to be cultivated and the bodies harvested when the time is right. They're meant to feed the likes of Raytheon, Northrop Grumman, Halliburton, GE and every publicly traded military contractor in this country. This is who Americans are fighting for, not their people or way of life. They're fighting for stock options.
To win in the Middle East is to vaporize all future profits and that will never be allowed to happen.
The entire region is made and more importantly managed for war and other than energy, what else does the Middle East bring to the global table? What other purpose does that region and her people serve to the world?
America should not drop one bomb, launch one missile or fire one single bullet in this conflict. Some of us will know or come to know someone who loves a sailor, soldier, airman or marine who will die in this. And when they do, they'll suffer for our investment portfolios and nothing more.
The subdued but steady drumbeat of war is becoming more rhythmic, more audible. Even on this very board, more and more folks are starting to get in line with yet another Middle Eastern corporate war. We're so easily manipulated into shite like this. It's almost as if war is the only way we can keep the concept of patriotism and American exceptionalism on life support. Right under the surface, we know those concepts are dying and many of us who remember the pride of Americanism are grabbing at anything that can restore us to what we once were.
We know national pride and patriotism is fading and we also know we're no longer exceptional or a guiding light for the rest of the world. So what else is there? What else do we have left other than our war machine?
Well those of you who are lightly bouncing to the drums of war, know this. The United States of America has not successfully fought a foreign war since the ancient history of World War II. We desperately cling to the romance of that war because we know we've failed at every one since.
I would say we lack the will to win these wars but that would imply they were started with winning in mind and they're not. They're started because they're corporate cash cows and to win them kills the cow.
These wars are meant to be cultivated and the bodies harvested when the time is right. They're meant to feed the likes of Raytheon, Northrop Grumman, Halliburton, GE and every publicly traded military contractor in this country. This is who Americans are fighting for, not their people or way of life. They're fighting for stock options.
To win in the Middle East is to vaporize all future profits and that will never be allowed to happen.
The entire region is made and more importantly managed for war and other than energy, what else does the Middle East bring to the global table? What other purpose does that region and her people serve to the world?
America should not drop one bomb, launch one missile or fire one single bullet in this conflict. Some of us will know or come to know someone who loves a sailor, soldier, airman or marine who will die in this. And when they do, they'll suffer for our investment portfolios and nothing more.
This post was edited on 10/17/23 at 12:20 pm
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Posted on 10/17/23 at 12:16 pm to Pandy Fackler
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because we know we've failed at every one since.
That is not accurate, but i still agree with your sentiment.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 12:16 pm to Pandy Fackler
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I rarely start threads on this board.
But when I do you can't tell what the thread is about from my topic.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 12:17 pm to Pandy Fackler
There's an old saying. You don't want to swap presidents in the middle of a war..
Textbook democrat plan.
Textbook democrat plan.
This post was edited on 10/18/23 at 8:34 am
Posted on 10/17/23 at 12:22 pm to Pandy Fackler
Have a 3 day window - maximum 7 if Israel or Iran fails to blink, imho
Posted on 10/17/23 at 12:28 pm to Pandy Fackler
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I would say we lack the will to win these wars but that would imply they were started with winning in mind and they're not.
Wars with the middle east are essentially fruitless because you can't tell an enemy from a non enemies. They're all friendlies until they're not is the way we treat them. You'll never defeat an army that isn't defined.
Was WWII the last American-involved war where soldiers on both sides wore uniforms?
But, to your point, I believe we pick those enemies because the waters are muddy enough to conceal where the funding goes.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 12:39 pm to Pandy Fackler
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Posted on 10/17/23 at 12:40 pm to Pandy Fackler
As a war veteran OP I get what you are saying. But then again there's the soldier in me that wants payback with the rag heads in Iran. From the seventies to just a couple of years ago, these sonofabitches got it coming.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 12:42 pm to Pandy Fackler
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Pandy Fackler
I pretty much think you are an idiot, but I agree with your op.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 12:55 pm to Pandy Fackler
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I would say we lack the will to win these wars but that would imply they were started with winning in mind and they're not.
Much like disease and the money made treating it vs curing it, there’s a lot more money to be made in fighting a war than it is winning it.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 1:10 pm to Pandy Fackler
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We desperately cling to the romance of that war because we know we've failed at every one since.
Not true, we won in Grenada very quickly.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 1:16 pm to Pandy Fackler
So much wrong with your post, even though you are right that there is a MIC that wants war.
First, we do NOT want war in the Middle East. That's why the war was started by our enemies and not us. It's very obvious what is going on. Iran, and Russia and China, are trying to force Israel into a shooting war with the wider Middle Eastern Muslim countries, particularly Iran.
The idea is to force America's MIC into feeding weapons and materiel into that theater at the same time we are supplying Ukraine. It's likely that, if they can do that, China will attack Taiwan. Our enemies have united and are trying to force us into this Middle Eastern war. The Biden administration is trying to isolate the war to Israel/Gaza.
As this progresses, and America/Israel does not take the Iran bait, look for more obvious provocation, like attacks on our ships. Contrary to your opinion, America will do its best to avoid those provocations and contain the war, all the while ramping up our MIC so that we can handle the coming challenges.
We might not be successful containing it, but that is clearly our intention.
Another gross mistake you made was to say that the point of the Korean, Vietnamese, and Gulf Wars was to make money. You also say we haven't won a war since WW2, which is knownothingism. We won the First Gulf War in a shockingly fast manner, or is Iraq still in Kuwait? We won the Second Gulf War as well. Then there are minor wars won like Grenada and Panama.
The Korean War ended in a stalemate, so it definitely wasn't won. The Vietnam War was lost, however, it is a slander to say it was fought for money. It was fought to halt the spread of communism, and it was a huge success. We bogged them down in Vietnam for so long that, when it was over the "Domino Theory" was also finished.
This is widely agreed upon, however, we don't fully control this.
If we were to leave Israel to its devices, and it was overwhelmed and defeated, do you think that would end our problems? Do you think the Ayatollahs would say, "This is close enough to a worldwide caliphate; we needn't do more"? Of course not. We would still be facing the three-headed enemy that is China, Russia and Iran, only the Middle Eastern battle would have moved to Turkey and Greece. Should we stay out of those conflicts, too?
When you finally realize that head-in-sand diplomacy gave you a short holiday and not a holiday from history the task facing us will be much harder than the one facing us now.
First, we do NOT want war in the Middle East. That's why the war was started by our enemies and not us. It's very obvious what is going on. Iran, and Russia and China, are trying to force Israel into a shooting war with the wider Middle Eastern Muslim countries, particularly Iran.
The idea is to force America's MIC into feeding weapons and materiel into that theater at the same time we are supplying Ukraine. It's likely that, if they can do that, China will attack Taiwan. Our enemies have united and are trying to force us into this Middle Eastern war. The Biden administration is trying to isolate the war to Israel/Gaza.
As this progresses, and America/Israel does not take the Iran bait, look for more obvious provocation, like attacks on our ships. Contrary to your opinion, America will do its best to avoid those provocations and contain the war, all the while ramping up our MIC so that we can handle the coming challenges.
We might not be successful containing it, but that is clearly our intention.
Another gross mistake you made was to say that the point of the Korean, Vietnamese, and Gulf Wars was to make money. You also say we haven't won a war since WW2, which is knownothingism. We won the First Gulf War in a shockingly fast manner, or is Iraq still in Kuwait? We won the Second Gulf War as well. Then there are minor wars won like Grenada and Panama.
The Korean War ended in a stalemate, so it definitely wasn't won. The Vietnam War was lost, however, it is a slander to say it was fought for money. It was fought to halt the spread of communism, and it was a huge success. We bogged them down in Vietnam for so long that, when it was over the "Domino Theory" was also finished.
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America should not drop one bomb, launch one missile or fire one single bullet in this conflict.
This is widely agreed upon, however, we don't fully control this.
If we were to leave Israel to its devices, and it was overwhelmed and defeated, do you think that would end our problems? Do you think the Ayatollahs would say, "This is close enough to a worldwide caliphate; we needn't do more"? Of course not. We would still be facing the three-headed enemy that is China, Russia and Iran, only the Middle Eastern battle would have moved to Turkey and Greece. Should we stay out of those conflicts, too?
When you finally realize that head-in-sand diplomacy gave you a short holiday and not a holiday from history the task facing us will be much harder than the one facing us now.
This post was edited on 10/17/23 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 10/17/23 at 1:22 pm to Pandy Fackler
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But it's clear to me now the American Government and the corporate war machine that runs it, wants US combat involvement and it looks like they're gonna get it.
I picture some old dudes sitting around having just popped some little blue pills...eagerly awaiting word that we are getting a war.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 1:25 pm to Pandy Fackler
During Trump they had Iran all lined up and ready to go in hard on them but Trump would not give the OK at he last second thank god. Looks like that won't be the case this time with a warmonger in charge.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 1:49 pm to Pandy Fackler
They're certainly testing the waters. There is a very real post-9/11 energy around, you see it a lot on here with people who are giddy at the thought of a Muslim genocide occurring.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 2:21 pm to Pandy Fackler
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We desperately cling to the romance of that war because we know we've failed at every one since.
Not true. Desert Storm was successful. Trump eliminated ISIS successfully and had stabilized the ME until Biden fricked it all up
The biggest issues for us since WW2 is
1. After WW2 we agreed to international laws on how to conduct war to limit war crimes/civilian casualties which handcuffs us from going all out.
2. We then choose to go to war in shithole nations full of ruthless people with nothing to lose who do not follow such rules.
3. In every case other than 9-11 we were not directly attacked, so support for the war by the people was lukewarm at best.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 3:19 pm to Pandy Fackler
If this is true people are about for find out what a lot of us already know.
And it won't be pretty.
And it won't be pretty.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 3:39 pm to Pandy Fackler
GoPro camera footage fixin to be lit!
Posted on 10/17/23 at 3:44 pm to Pandy Fackler
New college graduates just discovering libertarianism are one of the most annoying groups of people on the planet.
Posted on 10/17/23 at 4:06 pm to Pandy Fackler
Ok Sherlock. What is your timeline? What will the sides be?
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