re: North Texas Toll Authority is a complete scam

Average speed on 99 (toll) 80+
Average speed on I-10/I-45 (non toll) 50.

I agree.

Sorry baw, the only people that pass me are motorcycles.

WHO THE frick MADE THIS THREAD?

You can always move to New Orleans or Baton Rouge if you want shite roads

I did NOT start this thread, but I will have the last word...

stay off our toll roads you poors...I'm trying to go FAST

Would you rather NTTA or Louisiana infrastructure….I think we know the answer

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The build and toll strategy has been pervasive in DFW for at least 15 years but by all means just blame California….

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At least 20 years. And I love my toll roads and express lanes. OP probably drives 50 in the left lane.

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How is it reasonable to tax citizenry to provide services such as roads, then hand off construction and management of one of the most important roads in Dallas/Plano/Frisco to a private entity that pretends it's the government and say "well hey it's not us, you have to pay those guys", and then that private entity gets the Texas DMV to be their enforcement arm, which can't possibly hold up under real court scrutiny.

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Except the NTTA isn’t a private entity pretending to be the government; it’s effectively a government agency and its board members are appointed by the counties and governor.

This is not uncommon - states with expansive tollways set up a separate entity to run them so that the funds/tolls/etc. are managed by the actual stakeholders (rather than being run directly by state DOT). This also keeps the accounting cleaner since the toll proceeds can’t be spent elsewhere. It’s the same concept as the Harris County Toll Road Authority, except that agency is part of the county government rather than the state.

It is not a public-private partnership (P3), which is an entirely different arrangement where a private company agrees to finance the project in exchange for future profits. Although as I understand it, NTTA does manage toll collection for some P3’s.

I think P3’s are generally a raw deal for the public over the long term (although it remains to be seen since many of these are fairly new). Public tollway authorities, however, are kind of a necessity when using tolls to finance infrastructure projects.

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Now, for how these.predatory roads and NTTX started, you can thank Frisco residents and W Bush governors admin. Frisco was the first North Texas cookie cutter town built 8n the middle of nothing but two lane country roads. It built up fast and the existing roads could no longer keep up. It took Frisco residents and hour to get through intersections just to get in and out of Frisco. Gov. W. Bush admin would not fund new highways so the citizens of Frisco voted to pay for new roads via tolls. ... And the NTTX was born and unleashed.

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Except that the NTTA was made successor to the original Texas Turnpike Authority, and the Dallas Tollway first opened in 1968 and had extensions to the north in 1987 & 1994 before Bush was Governor. 87 made it up to area south of current Bush Tollway (if not in Collin County than stopped right at it). The 1994 extension went to somewhere in between Spring Creek and Headquarters in Plano which is south of 121 and the start of Frisco.