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Scheme might be an issue, but here is what I noticed after seeing film

Posted on 10/2/23 at 12:42 pm
Posted by 610man
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2005
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Posted on 10/2/23 at 12:42 pm
- players don't understand leverage on the ball, when tackling, defenders should keep the ball inside and in front at all times.
- team is bad in zone coverage- obviously. Covering the wrong person, not closing to wr's in their zones, lots of bad. Simple route concepts they covered poorly. Some of these players do not understand zone defense, it is either being allowed to happen or not being coached up.
- they are not bad in man, but when you are in man and you miss tackles, it is trouble. Happened to Welch, and Harris both on 3rd down
- Savion Jones was used and abused on that little toss play. No adjustment was ever made by the staff.
- fitting gaps, simple rule for football, is you should never have 2 players in 1 gap. This happens constantly to LSU. Now it could happen for a multitude of reasons, but it happens often to this team.
- Whit Weeks gets it, he understands how to use his hands and how to play the game. Understands how to take on blocks, good player
This post was edited on 10/2/23 at 1:03 pm
Posted by Jack Daniel
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Posted on 10/2/23 at 12:43 pm to
How did you get access to the game film?
Posted by TopWaterTiger
Lake Charles, LA
Member since May 2006
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Posted on 10/2/23 at 12:44 pm to
quote:

players don't understand leverage on the ball


So how to all star high school athletes suddenly not know how to tackle?
Posted by The Mick
Member since Oct 2010
43836 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 12:45 pm to
They also don't understand the ball carrier might head fake left, but then go right.
Posted by 610man
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2005
7592 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 12:46 pm to
It is not so much how to tackle, it is maintaining leverage on the ball carrier. As I stated earlier, all defenders should keep the ball inside and in front
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
67790 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 12:49 pm to
quote:

they are not bad in man, but when you are in man and you miss tackles,


i would like to see man 90% the rest of the year. Gamble with blitzes and try to force negative plays and qb hurries or turnovers.
Posted by FriscoTiger
Frisco, TX
Member since Aug 2005
3688 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 1:21 pm to
This is the one that drives me the crazy
-Savion Jones was used and abused on that little toss play. No adjustment was ever made by the staff.

This is true and pitiful
- players don't understand leverage on the ball, when tackling, defenders should keep the ball inside and in front at all times.
Posted by 610man
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2005
7592 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 1:27 pm to
The worst part is, the majority of things listed, have been happening. Week in and week out, either the message isn't getting through, or, they are getting the wrong message.
Posted by WDAIII
Member since Aug 2020
3717 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 1:28 pm to
quote:

It is not so much how to tackle, it is maintaining leverage on the ball carrier. As I stated earlier, all defenders should keep the ball inside and in front


Isn't this taught in Peewee football?
Posted by 610man
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2005
7592 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 1:33 pm to
Probably not pee wee, but should be in hs. Honestly though, I bet most of the guys had bad to poor hs coaching.
Posted by TexasTiger33
Member since Feb 2022
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Posted on 10/2/23 at 1:35 pm to
nice insights
Posted by mcspufftiger7
Member since Oct 2020
2207 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 1:46 pm to
It's called breaking down in open field tackling. It is one of the most important techniques and is also the toughest to teach. If you are wide and pumping your feet once you get within 5 yard you can get juked either way. That is a fundamental that I don't see in a lot of players college or pro. weeks does it. A lot of our DB's from last year did it.
Posted by LSUNV
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Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 10/2/23 at 1:50 pm to
It is poor coaching! With the lack of adjustments and the lack of fundamentals there is no other excuse
Posted by Bring Da Wood
Texas
Member since Dec 2006
1769 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 1:54 pm to
Tackling isn’t some one and done thing. You have to get live reps so your technique is solid when you’re going against the other team. We tackle really high in addition to losing leverage which is just lazy and poor form. Teams including the NFL are doing less live contact in practice and it shows up in crappy tackling on game day. As soft as our defense is they need some live reps in a bad way.
Posted by 610man
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2005
7592 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 2:02 pm to
Tremendous point, and correct.
Posted by KamaCausey_LSU
Member since Apr 2013
15382 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 2:55 pm to
quote:

Tackling isn’t some one and done thing. You have to get live reps so your technique is solid when you’re going against the other team. We tackle really high in addition to losing leverage which is just lazy and poor form. Teams including the NFL are doing less live contact in practice and it shows up in crappy tackling on game day. As soft as our defense is they need some live reps in a bad way.

I'm sure that this team shows the same form on the field as they do running drills against tackling dummies. I recall some of the highlights from Fall Camp. The tackling drills had them leaving their feet and diving at a tackling dummy.

Trying to find the clip.
Posted by semjase
New Smyrna Beach FL
Member since May 2014
11739 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 3:01 pm to
quote:

- Whit Weeks gets it, he understands how to use his hands and how to play the game. Understands how to take on blocks, good player
Then why the frick isn't he starting and playing the entire game?
Posted by 610man
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2005
7592 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 3:03 pm to
There are times when it’s appropriate to leave your feet
Posted by BornAndRaised_LA
Springfield, VA
Member since Oct 2018
5594 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 3:04 pm to
Per Lonn Sullivan:

“LSU Freshman LB Whit Weeks was relegated to the bench until the Tigers' defense had already allowed 28 points. Once he came on the field, he became the team's highest rated defender by PFF College, made 9 tackles (8+ in all 3 starts), 1.5 TFLs, 2 QB Hits & 6 total stops (negative plays caused by tackle).”
Posted by toughcrittercrumb
Houston
Member since Nov 2008
2160 posts
Posted on 10/2/23 at 3:04 pm to
It’s 100% coaching. An undisciplined team falls on the coaches.
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