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re: Is there anything that I should know before trade school?

Posted on 10/2/23 at 10:04 am to
Posted by Geauxld Finger
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Posted on 10/2/23 at 10:04 am to
Bro you can install a dishwasher yourself even if you’re a fricking moron
Posted by 777Tiger
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Posted on 10/2/23 at 10:06 am to
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Bro you can install a dishwasher yourself even if you’re a fricking moron



I've probably installed about 50-60 of them, I'm getting to the point where I don't want to do it anymore, but here's where I come out of "retirement"
Posted by AwgustaDawg
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Posted on 10/2/23 at 10:08 am to
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So I am currently in high school, I really dislike school and cannot see myself going to college (and its really expensive too), so I think that trade school would probably be the best bet for me. To people who went, is there anything that I should probably know beforehand?


Can only speak to the building trades.

Algebra. Ain't gotta be a wiz but gotta know how to solve for one variable.

HVAC is less physically demanding and offers better working conditions...also has better opportunities if you are interested in going into business for yourself. By far the best sidelining possibilities.

Electrical work is the second least demanding but requires a LOT of math. Course work is more demanding than others. Possibilities are nearly endless but pay is not as good as it should be considering the demand. Lots of technological changes in the industry has reduced pay...lot easier to do electrical work today, especially high end control work etc, than it ever has been. Also LOTS of sidelining possibilities and a good one to go into business for yourself.

Plumbing/Pipefitting/Sprinkler Fitting etc - All pretty physically demanding, not as demanding in the classroom, pay is excellent but outside of plumbing and being a UA Service Tech the sidelining is not on par with the others and going into business for yourself is not on par with the others. Pipefitter welders can make a pile of money sidelining though....

Millwright work is fascinating, doesn't pay much but most of them are about as close to mechanical geniuses as you can meet. Sheetmetal mechanics are probably the least skilled of the skilled trades. Masons are highly paid but the work is physically demanding. Carpenters can make some money doing high end finishing and making cabinets but most work is form and framing work wich pays nothing. Iron work pays well but it takes a special person to do...it is not demanding in the classroom at all though.

If you are considering a building trade go to the union hall. You will wind up making more money, having better benefits and better working conditions and you will not have to pay for the best education there is available for the trade of your choice. It is a 4-5 year commitment and for the first couple you may make slightly less than others in the same place in the trade but when you turn out wages wont be close...you will be making way more, have more benefits and better working conditions...namely you will be FAR Safer on the job...infinitely safer. That means something in an industry which is inherently dangerous....
Posted by lawlcow318008
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Posted on 10/2/23 at 10:10 am to
What exactly is the union hall, Is that just where you go to join a union? How exactly do unions work?
Posted by 777Tiger
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Posted on 10/2/23 at 10:11 am to
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How exactly do unions work?



there went the thread
Posted by AwgustaDawg
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Posted on 10/2/23 at 10:15 am to
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I was thinking about being either a plumber or electrician. I live in a more rural area and I don't wanna go to far in all honesty, being an aircraft mechanic would mean that I would most likely have a long drive to work or I'd have to move.


Both solid choices. If your plan is to go to work for a local contractor with a minimal amount of school plumbing is an EXCELLENT choice. The work is physically demanding and can be nasty BUT it offers great sidelining potential and is one of the better choices if you think you may want to go into business for yourself someday. Electrical work will require more formal schooling to be at the top wage range and if you are in a rural area and the IBEW is not an option vo-tech electricians never get paid enough to justify the amount of knowledge needed to be competent. It is a good option for sidelining and going into business for yourself some day though.

If you are close enough to a city with an IBEW Joint Apprenticeship Program and are willing to do the school work which can be demanding at times that is the better option but if you are talking about simply vo-tech or almost no training (plumbing programs at vo-techs are scarce) plumbing might be better. A good in between choice would be HVAC - less demanding physically than plumbing, less demanding in the class room than electrical work, pay is good, working conditions tend to be really good and the oppotunity to sideline or go into business yourself is about as good as the trades get.
Posted by OweO
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Posted on 10/2/23 at 10:15 am to
Honestly, trade school is probably the best option. Do you have any interest in drafting and designing? If so you can make good money as a drafter/designer. Or something like Industrial Instrumentation.

Hell, plumbers do well. I assume they are still in high demand, but in college I worked for local government in building inspection and permits. Plumbing used to hold up pretty much every residential new construction.

Has things changed to become a plumber? Do they still have to get state certified? (I assume so), but at the time, if I remember correctly that played a big factor in the lack of plumbers.
Posted by AwgustaDawg
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Posted on 10/2/23 at 10:16 am to
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The thing about being an HVAC guy is you’re always leaving just when the indoor temperature gets nice.


Almost everyone is leaving with you though...
Posted by Quatrepot
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Posted on 10/2/23 at 10:21 am to
You’re making the correct choice. Trade school will get you a great career if you work hard and treat customers right.
Posted by lsu777
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Posted on 10/2/23 at 10:22 am to
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I applaud you for having enough self-awareness to know you don't want to go to college and instead learn a trade. That, my friend, is a brilliant decision on your part. The only general advice I will give is to pay attention and work hard. You could be making six figures before you know it.


yea since so many in the trades are just pulling down 6 figures :rotflmao:

you are only making 6 figures in the trade if you own the business or you work a ton of turnarounds.

yall over inflate what peopel make so much its not even funny.

i worked in the trades for years before i went back and finished my degree and am a certified pipefitter. I now deal with tradecraft all day and see the pay rates as part of my job....yall are full of shite!!

OP..you need to know...its hot as hell out there, the work sucks at times, the people you work with are usually pretty shitty people who made terrible life choices.....but if you are smart and are willing to work your arse off, in about 8-10 years you can open your business and make more than you ever would have getting a normal college degree.

if you dont work your arse off and atleast move into management, it can be a very hard life of working in the heat for the next 40 years.

oh and start putting money in a roth IRA immediately, max it out every year. Start putting 8% in 401k from day 1 too.


if you consider operations or instrumentation a trade...then go for that but i will say its very competitive.

if not go be a machinist if you dont think you can own your own business. if wanting to stay in a building trade, do hvac or electrical.

all these idiots talking about 6 figures...maybe 10 years experience and a ton of OT if you are working for others. just google median salary for each for louisiana and you will see. Most of the people on this board are full of complete shite when it comes to pay, especially when it comes to pay for the trades.
This post was edited on 10/2/23 at 10:38 am
Posted by AwgustaDawg
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Posted on 10/2/23 at 10:23 am to
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How exactly do you start a business? And would I have to save all 10 years beforehand?


As a plumber, electrician or HVAC technician the business will start itself. About 1 year in folks will ask you if you ever do any sidelining. If you are comfortable doing it, do it. You will soon be turning down work. You will be learning how to solve problems...the biggest part of working for yourself is you have to figure out what to do. You will be learning how to deal with customers. You will be learning how to deal with wholesale houses...you will be serving an apprenticeship in owning your own business. Most of the trades will require a license to pull permits and most licenses will require a mininum of experience plus some serious formal education and knowledge...but you don't need that to sideline.

As far as saving it would be best to be well heeled but starting a business is a lot like having kids...its best to wait until you have the money but if most people did that there'd be very few small businesses and no babies...it can take a lot to start but it can be done with almost nothing. Easier with money but it can be done...most small businesses are woefully underfunded and they fail at the same rate either way.
Posted by Dawgfanman
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Posted on 10/2/23 at 10:27 am to
By trade school, do you mean technical college, an apprenticeship, or something else?
Posted by madmaxvol
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Posted on 10/2/23 at 10:30 am to
It's hard to get into their apprenticeship programs...but elevator inspection is really in demand, and will be for the foreseeable future.
Posted by SlimTigerSlap
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Posted on 10/2/23 at 10:30 am to
You should cache this thread.

In 10-15 years,

1.) revisit it
2.) whip out that dusty pencil your cousin's kid left in your duplex
3.) write the handles of these co-signers in your shite-list diary
4.) don't be late for your double shift
Posted by 777Tiger
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Posted on 10/2/23 at 10:31 am to
yep, but it’s better if you get in on the ground floor, only way to make it to the top
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 10/2/23 at 10:36 am to
Does your school have a work or trades program?

It would be good to start working now, in HS.

I didn't see anybody mention. But car repair and maintenance is always an in demand position. I was doing recruiting for a group of autobody shops and those techs did real well. It's kind of specialized and requires certifications. But they can literally work anywhere.

Another is the glass technicians. Especially if they can recalibrate sensors. The good ones are easy 6 figure and shops fight over them..
Posted by LSU fan 246
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Posted on 10/2/23 at 10:38 am to
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HVAC is less physically demanding and offers better working conditions...


Not in South LA
Posted by lawlcow318008
Member since Sep 2023
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Posted on 10/2/23 at 10:40 am to
My school does yes, but its already been far enough in the year where I feel like I shouldn't bother. In southern Louisiana high schools there is the jumpstart program. In my sophomore year currently.
Posted by CallmeSteveo
Member since Feb 2020
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Posted on 10/2/23 at 10:43 am to
Cnc programmer is what you’re looking for. They think it’s witchcraft.
Posted by AwgustaDawg
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Posted on 10/2/23 at 10:44 am to
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What exactly is the union hall, Is that just where you go to join a union? How exactly do unions work?



The building trades unions are unlike most unions. They are more akin to a trade guild than what one thinks of as a labor union. Members pay dues, membership dues which are a set amount every month and due whether you are working or not, and working dues that are a % of your hourly rate. That is the downside to being in a trade union. The upside is the education is free...it will cost you nothing but your time and it is the best available education in the trade, and it is not close. When you turn out (finish school and your apprenticeship period, 5 years for a IBEW Electrician now) you will be earning about 125% of non-union electricians in hourly wages, your benefit package will be worth another 20-30% than the best packages offered in the non-union world (and your benefits are portable, they follow you no matter who you are working for, whereas you have to start all over again in the non-union world). The most beneficial part is you will be working in the safest environment possible in the industry. The jobs that union companies do are the safest construction sites in the US and it ain't close. That is a big consideration when its your life youre talking about.
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