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Water heater pan has water in it

Posted on 9/7/23 at 6:45 pm
Posted by PerplenGold
TX
Member since Nov 2021
2215 posts
Posted on 9/7/23 at 6:45 pm
Water has been observed a time or 3 in the last 8 years but not much. Lately it over flowed a bit.

What’s gone wrong? DIY for someone who’s never seen the guts of a water heater?
Posted by NATidefan
Two hours North of Birmingham
Member since Dec 2008
36776 posts
Posted on 9/7/23 at 6:46 pm to
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What’s gone wrong? DIY for someone who’s never seen the guts of a water heater?


It's either leaking or if you don't have a drain for the pressure relief valve it could have come out of it I suppose.

Probably leaking though.
Posted by ItzMe1972
Member since Dec 2013
12205 posts
Posted on 9/7/23 at 7:10 pm to
Is it in your attic?

Sounds like it's probably worn out and leaking. Unless its the popoff valve or faucet drain.

But your pan should not be overflowing. I'd jump on it right away!
Posted by PerplenGold
TX
Member since Nov 2021
2215 posts
Posted on 9/7/23 at 7:26 pm to
quote:

Is it in your attic?


Luckily, no and the foooring is concrete. Still don’t want overflow though.

Is 8 yrs a typical lifespan? AO Smith fancy pants unit.
Posted by ItzMe1972
Member since Dec 2013
12205 posts
Posted on 9/7/23 at 7:28 pm to
A O Smith is a great brand and 8 years is not old.

Leaking one of three places....popoff valve on top, the faucet used to drain, or the bottom of the tank.

Bottom of tank=new water heater.
Posted by indytiger
baton rouge/indy
Member since Oct 2004
10216 posts
Posted on 9/7/23 at 7:34 pm to
I caught some water in my pan recently. Went downstairs and turned on a hot water faucet and went back to observe. It was leaking from the very first fitting coming out of the heater that connects to Pex.
Posted by PerplenGold
TX
Member since Nov 2021
2215 posts
Posted on 9/7/23 at 8:07 pm to
Fittings are all dry including the drain. There are 3 overflows plumbed to the pan. 2 are mysteries. Red is for the relief valve which seems fine. I pulled all 3 overflows and couldn’t tell if any were wet or are the source.



Mysteries, side of heater


ETA the clear tube has algae or some sort of growth. The culprit?
This post was edited on 9/7/23 at 8:18 pm
Posted by zippyputt
Member since Jul 2005
6839 posts
Posted on 9/7/23 at 8:37 pm to
If its leaking, I’d drain it and have someone check it.
This post was edited on 9/7/23 at 8:39 pm
Posted by gumbo2176
Member since May 2018
19431 posts
Posted on 9/7/23 at 10:37 pm to
quote:

Is 8 yrs a typical lifespan? AO Smith fancy pants unit.



My water heater was replaced 3 months after Katrina in 05 and I went with an electric one and it's still doing fine after damn near 18 years.
Posted by PerplenGold
TX
Member since Nov 2021
2215 posts
Posted on 9/8/23 at 8:39 am to
So I pulled the clear tube from the overflow pipe and stuck it in a bucket to see if that's the source of the water.
Posted by ItzMe1972
Member since Dec 2013
12205 posts
Posted on 9/8/23 at 8:55 am to
That's such a weird setup.

That pan should be plumbed to drain outside.
Posted by Sidicous
NELA
Member since Aug 2015
19296 posts
Posted on 9/8/23 at 9:04 am to
quote:

That pan should be plumbed to drain outside.
Yeah his pan is venting not draining.

Had one started with a bit of water in the pan. 2 months later was on the PC in room across hall from water heater and heard a noise. By the time I could get up to check, the hallway carpet was soaking wet.

Seam on the back had busted open and was spraying out under pressure about to knock a hole in the sheetrock (damaged it several layers deep about 4-6"'s diameter).
Posted by Turnblad85
Member since Sep 2022
4638 posts
Posted on 9/8/23 at 9:35 am to
The clear tube is probably a thermal expansion valve. This is different from a pressure/temperature relief valve.

The thermal expansion valve can be substituted for thermal expansion tank in a pinch. These are for when the water is heated and then expands because I don't fricking know why ask a scientist.

The TEV is made to operate frequently and not malfunction from mineral deposits. A P&T relief valve is only made to function in an emergency.

Now where the water in the pan is coming from is the mystery. Def keep a very close eye on it until you can determine the cause. Looks like everything is plumbed into a drain so that leaves a leaking fitting or a rusted out tank. Depending on the water source tanks can last decades or just a few years.

ETA.: I see the pvc is plumbed to the pan and not to drainlines. I'd guess the pressure/temperature valve is failing. But it could be the thermal valve is just doing its job. Though that vale should really be plumbed to a drainline though.
This post was edited on 9/8/23 at 10:01 am
Posted by Cracker
in a box
Member since Nov 2009
19102 posts
Posted on 9/8/23 at 9:47 am to
Take some toilet paper stuff it in the pop off valve if you find it in the pan it’s the valve if not and water appears it’s rusted out
Posted by 2geaux
Georgia
Member since Feb 2008
2738 posts
Posted on 9/8/23 at 10:45 am to
Pour a little 50/50 clorox down the pan drain.
Posted by ItzMe1972
Member since Dec 2013
12205 posts
Posted on 9/8/23 at 12:59 pm to
Pour a little 50/50 clorox down the pan drain
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There is NO pan drain. The pan is where everything drains too!
Posted by sleepytime
Member since Feb 2014
3857 posts
Posted on 9/8/23 at 1:09 pm to
It's hard to tell but it looks like the the pvc line on the pan goes through the baseboards. If not, there is some crackheadary afoot with whomever installed it.
Posted by Python
Member since May 2008
6600 posts
Posted on 9/8/23 at 1:20 pm to
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crackheadary
Posted by PerplenGold
TX
Member since Nov 2021
2215 posts
Posted on 9/8/23 at 1:23 pm to
A drain line would be nice.

Some revelations

- the clear tube is at least 1 source of water in the pan. a bucket now is collecting water from the tube. can't tell what the tube is hooked to as the heater is too close to the wall.

- the heater is still under warranty!...until 3/24
it's a 10 yr warranty from date of manufacture

Posted by keakar
Member since Jan 2017
30152 posts
Posted on 9/8/23 at 5:01 pm to
quote:

That's such a weird setup.

That pan should be plumbed to drain outside.



that whole thing looks like "bob has a six pack of beer" and watched a youtube video, so he thought he knew how to install a water heater

you need a plumber to fix all that mess, and there shouldnt be any water anywhere, ever, or its a big problem
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